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PoA Chapter Fourteen
Seems Sirius has escaped again from the castle. At least that's what we're told this by the woman who insisted there was no way he could get into the castle to begin with as long as there was a mentally challenged portrait standing guard. No reason not to take her word for it.
The kids see signs of more security, a slight improvement over the no security we've seen previously. BTW, WhereTF is Dumbledore?
I like that they're teaching the front doors to recognize Sirius' picture. That’s funny.
Funny but also wonderfully dumb, like they’ve just figured out they ought to start locking the front door if they don't want the maniac to walk in a third time.
Harry's noticed that the one big tunnel that leads straight into the school hasn't been closed up or guarded. Naturally he doesn't tell anyone. Irrelevant, really.
Ron backs him up on this, speculating that if Black broke into Honeydukes they'd hear about it. Um, why? The only reason you two knew he'd broken into Hogwarts was that he did something crazy when he was in Gryffindor Tower where you sleep. He could have been living off stolen blood lollies at Honeydukes all this time for all you know. And even if you did hear about a candy store break-in there's no guarantee you’d hear about it before Sirius had slit your throat. It's not like you’d pick it up on Twitter while the break in was in progress.
Harry and Voldemort both refuse to take it as a given that if they tripped over something in Hogwarts, it's quite possible lots of other people over the years have too. In Voldemort's case this seems to be due to arrogance. With Harry it's just plain lack of imagination. Oh, and also greed. He wants the passage open so he can buy candy. How come nobody ever plays the Ten Tongue Toffee trick on him?
Ron’s clearly enjoying the experience of being of more interest than Harry, who never ever enjoys any sort of attention that he gets.
Oh wow. Ugh! Horrible Americanization here! The text file I'm reading is the US version and it has Ron saying, "I rolled over…and I saw him standing over me…like a skeleton, with loads of filthy hair…holding this great long knife, must’ve been twelve inches…and he looked at me, and I looked at him, and then I yelled, and he scampered." (Italics mine) Jeez, guys, I know scarperedisn't an American expression but a kid wouldn't say that the knife-wielding maniac scampered away like a bunny.
Meanwhile, Neville's humiliated for his mistake when he almost ought to be praised for shedding light on exactly how bad the security system was here.
What humiliation is in store for the person who hired Sir Cadogan, a guy who not only made the passwords as hard as possible for the kids but didn’t change them when he knew a week's worth had gone missing? Let me guess, was it the same guy who enlists Hagrid to be a bodyguard?
Hagrid sends a letter to Harry to meet him for tea. I'll try to take comfort in the fact that it isn't tear-stained at least, but it's a meager comfort.
Ron thinks Hagrid wants to talk about Black. As if Hagrid would ever want to talk about something relevant or interesting.
Harry and Ron feel guilty about forgetting to care about Hagrid's professional troubles. It's not like Hagrid’s ever felt guilty about forgetting—or dismissing—their troubles of any kind.
Hagrid actually wants to talk about Hermione. He begins by defending her cat, saying it was just doing what all cats do. Except whether or not cats naturally eat rats, if YOUR cat eats YOUR FRIEND’S rat, you apologize, feel bad and take responsibility for it as its owner. That goes double if your monster slices somebody's arm open.
I am sympathetic to Hermione here, but she actually was the one who separated herself over the Scabbers thing—at least from Harry. Harry made an overture once he got his Firebolt back (self-serving as that is) and then she snapped at him just for saying Crookshanks ate the rat. Not that Harry couldn't talk to her again, of course, if Harry cared enough to make the effort. But it was Hermione who stormed off from him.
Still, it's a switcheroo over the fight, pretending that the fight was over both boys being angry at Hermione because of what her cat did when Hermione has so far refused to consider that her cat could have done anything. Like when Harry goes around sure Seamus is making a stand against him on the Voldemort question when he was really angry that Harry insulted his mother. Eventually Seamus seems to wind up agreeing with Harry's version.
Even though I do feel sorry for Hermione, I hate the way we're naturally back in Hagrid's world where the true victims are the person who didn't lose their only pet who didn't harm anyone (as far as they know) and didn’t get physically attacked. Without ever pausing for any sympathy for the people who did suffer those things.
What about poor Ripper who probably missed his dinner keeping Harry up in that tree? It must really hurt Aunt Marge’s feelings that Harry's angry about that.
Hagrid says he thought the boys cared about their friend more than broomsticks or rats. I'm not sure why since Hagrid's role in the books is mostly centers around his caring more about his hippogriff, dragon or spiders over his friends and students.
Weirdly, I can picture Hagrid giving this speech to the boys if Hermione was their single mother. She's got all this work to do and she's so worried about them and is trying to keep them safe and they need to be more appreciative and clean their rooms…
Hermione was really upset when Sirius nearly stabbed Ron. After he's married Ron probably hires people to regularly injure him in an attempted murder since it's like the only time Hermione can express an uncomplicated affection.
Ron says he wants Hermione to get rid of her cat, which is just stupid. Deal with the dead rat and move on. But then, Ron and Hermione can never let it alone with each other. Soulmates.
Hagrid says people can be stupid about their pets and the narrator has the class to tell us that he said this "wisely" and then pan over to Buckbeak to be ironic. It’s not that the series doesn't get that Hagrid’s an idiot, it just seems to present his idiocy as a virtue.
And again, to keep hammering on it, when Hagrid says that people can be stupid about their pets the text means him and Hermione, not Ron and the Malfoys (if we think of Draco for a pet for a second there). Has Hagrid counseled Hermione to apologize to Ron at all? Because his situation is just as analogous to Hagrid and Buckbeak's.
Then we’re back to Quidditch. Phew! Not a word about the one interesting thing going on in the book.
Hermione pops up again to say that if Harry goes to Hogsmeade again she'll tell McGonagall about the map. Ron basically tells her to shut her fat mouth or he'll shut it for her. He must really be in love!
Harry stands there and says nothing. Jeez, Harry.
OMG! Not only does he do nothing, he just checks to see if Hermione's gone before he goes back to planning his escape. It's creepy the way Ron is sometimes there to be a jerk so Harry can enjoy the benefits without being the jerk himself. Ron's useful all right. Make no mistake.
This was probably another one of those moments where Harry was privately approving of Ron's words, like with Ginny and Dean.
If I were Hermione I would never want to be with anyone who talked to me the way Ron talks to her here, btw. But I guess it turns Hermione on or something.
Hermione sounds like the reasonable one here, but don't be fooled. She's still not going to tell McGonagall about the passage. If she can see the danger in the Firebolt why does she have no problem with a secret passage nobody knows about? It's not as if Black—like everyone else—wasn't once a student at the school.
Uh-oh, here comes Neville. Look, Nev, Harry’s busy. Go away and come back when a snake needs killing.
Harry ditches Neville. You can see why Neville’s such a loyal friend to him.
Did Harry bring a coat this time? Or is it no longer Christmas so there's no need for cold weather?
They go to the post office. Exciting! But nonsensical! You don't actually need a central post office when you send letters door to door with your bird. So just for a few paragraphs, pretend that owls are like stamps.
The tiniest owls are used for local deliveries only, because being tiny means you can’t fly far. But you can still hold a letter several times your own weight.
I think JKR just wanted to put in that she knew that owls have breeds and that one of them is called the Scops owls.
Harry and Ron go to a joke shop and buy a lot of stuff that does not seem worth the money. Totally worth risking your very life, there, Harry.
Seriously, when you consider all the stuff Ron and Harry could be doing given they have magical powers, the idea that it's a treat to spend the day in an ordinary village looking at owls just like they have at school and buying the magical equivalent of plastic vomit is kind of unbelievable. Harry isn’t even a joker. What fun does he have with this stuff?
Malfoy, Crabbe and Goyle appear, naturally talking about the awful Hagrid plot. Whatevs.
I realize that JKR is doing the right thing by bringing everything back to the plots, such as they are, but wouldn’t it be cool if just once Malfoy walked up and was saying something completely unrelated to Harry's life? Like, "…up the courage to tell his mother but then his dad got sick again and you know whenever Theo tries to talk to her about the possibility of his dad not…" before he snapped into "What are you doing, Weasley?"
Harry throws mud at Malfoy from under his cloak. Did no one at this school ever suspect that Harry had an invisibility cloak? I guess if the words "Time Turner" have never come out of Ron’s mouth even after watching Hermione study for 3 classes at once we can’t expect to hear Malfoy say "invisibility cloak" just because he’s discovered a guy who’s never without his bff standing alone on a hill right before he’s hit with mud by an invisible person.
Oh wait, Malfoy does figure it out. It just takes him until HBP. Here he's just for some reason scared of Harry's face even though he’s got every reason to just say, "Oh, I see, you’re under a cloak."
Or else Malfoy is just more horrified by disembodied heads than disembodied feet.
Harry wonders if anyone would believe Malfoy if he told them about this wondrous occurrence. Again, Harry, magic. Malfoy didn’t actually see anything that wondrous, by the rules of the world in which you have lived for 3 years.
Snape's collected a few more slimy things in jars to his office, adding to the threatening atmosphere. It literally says that. Slytherins are so Goth. Remember how in DH we suddenly hear that their common room is full of skulls?
Dark Magic honestly does seem to be shorthand for vaguely Gothic taste. If you don't have that you could be a gang raping Quidditch team and it would still be good clean fun.
Uh oh. Harry's been caught. You know what that means. Start feeling unjustly persecuted quickly Harry! Avoid any passing thought of accepting punishment!
Snape lectures Harry on how everyone's trying to keep him safe and Harry just doesn't care and goes where he wants. If he hasn't yet appreciated that people want to keep him alive, why would he appreciate it when one of them is Snape?
Harry flies into a rage at Snape insulting his dad, even though Snape's insults aren’t really that bad. Nice callback to Aunt Marge, though, giving Harry a reason to be primed to be sensitive about it.
Snape is often wrong in saying Harry is like James, but if you get out of Harry’s head you would see a guy not completely unlike James. Yeah, there's times where the text is jumping up and down to show that all of James's bad qualities should be mapped onto Malfoy, but Harry's in there too.
Snape tells Harry about the Prank played on him back in school, making it as usual sound like a far better story than the one we eventually get in DH.
Harry claims all the junk in his pockets came from Ron last time he went to Hogsmeade. Snape says it’s very touching Harry’s still carrying them around after all this time—LOL Snape!
Harry tries to pass off the map as old parchment. Snape agrees it's very old. I can’t help but wonder if the Marauders didn't intentionally make it on an ancient parchment—just to add to the pirate atmosphere. (Pirates were all about good magic.)
Snape makes another crack about treasured gifts from Ron.
I would laugh at Snape's cheesy attempts to make the map work, but given how Lupin reveals himself to Harry at Shell Cottage ("It is I, Remus Lupin!") it's obviously just the way you're supposed to do these things so shut up.
People often claim that SWM was a big surprise and turnaround for James? And I've never gotten why. The Marauders are bullies in this scene through the map. They immediately start picking on Snape's personal appearance.
I mean, it's clever that we assume that the voices are just taking Harry's side or are against Snape because he's hostile to the map or something, but what's actually going on—as we know by the end of the book—is that Snape's getting picked on as the ugly outcast just like he used to be and Harry's one of the Marauders in his eyes. Of course Snape sees Harry as James here.
Lupin, like any good teacher, starts lying to cover Harry's ass. Because God forbid Harry just get a detention for sneaking around, or even worse have to say how he got out and so tip someone off to the hole in school security.
Lupin gets to tell Snape (later) that he should let all this stuff from their past go, even while passively removing himself of responsibility for the map's picking on Snape now. Snape does need to get over this stuff, but he has good reason to see MWPP as being the same as ever to him. It's not like any of them ever apologize for being asses or admit they did anything wrong. We know Snape can be just as much of an ass, but pretty much every flashback shows us scenes where Snape's minding his own business and they target him for bullying. I can't imagine a scene where Snape effectively hurt any of them. TL;DR, Snape’s stunted and pathetic, but they never grow up either.
Lupin’s all innocently "full of Dark Magic? I think it’s just childish" about the map. Which is probably the best definition of Dark Magic we'll get. Old-fashioned, good-natured bullying of repulsive kids is just childish fun! It's you people who are into Dark Magic. Our anger is righteous. Yours is the sign of a festering sore on the soul.
It still surprises me that something as small as Peter's sycophantic behavior is a sign of his ultimate badness, but James's and Sirius's cruelty is a dead end and something we're all supposed to identify with or brush off because they’re 15.
Lupin goes on covering up, denying that Harry got the map from him, though Snape would naturally have good reason to think that he did get the map from him.
Really, it's a pretty huge honkin' coincidence that he happened to get the map from unrelated people the same year Lupin showed up. And I doubt Lupin went to see Snape later to more earnestly assure him that he wasn't behind it. So Snape is left feeling like he was being played again. And it really would look like Lupin was helping Harry get away from security and protecting Sirius.
Reading this again I remember why Snape comes across as so sympathetic. He causes a lot of his own problems, but other characters like Harry, James and Sirius never have to do penence, acknowledge the reality of other people or admit they are wrong the way Snape did. Traumatizing other people sometimes actually does lead to those people not trusting you and striking back years later. (Which is why in my personal canon right in the middle of a big toast at Hermione's wedding a rather nasty word broke out in pustules all over her face.)
That's why this scene is really fun.
Lupin figures that as long as he's covering for the map, he'll randomly cover for Harry's trip into Hogsmeade as well. Uncle Lupin is just handing out the free passes today!
Lupin's astounded Harry didn't hand the map in, even though he's not going to hand it in either.
And he's not going to tell anyone about the passage either. WTF?
Lupin warns Harry not to expect him to cover up for him again. Well, why on earth are you covering up for him the first time, you silly werewolf? Oh right. Wants to be liked.
Harry feels a smidge badly about being so cavalier with his safety now that Lupin brings up his parents dying to save him. Harry Potter: Cares more about the feelings of dead people he doesn’t remember than his living best friends.
I would add that Harry also takes the same advice totally differently depending on who is saying it, but that goes without saying.
They run into Hermione and Ron gets ready to mouth off again, but it turns out she's actually bringing the next cliffhanger. Buckbeak's going to be executed. Look, I don't care. Ron doesn't care. Harry doesn't care. They just admitted earlier that they don't. So this isn't a cliffhanger.
Things that happen more than once:
Ron thrives under unexpected attention, as he will again in OotP.
First trip to the Shrieking Shack.
First Hagrid, now Hermione suffers from people expecting her to take responsibility when her pet hurts someone else.
Harry goes to Hogsmeade again the same way.
Harry flies into a rage when someone criticizes his father.
Second version of the Prank.
Lupin shirks his duty as an authority figure, screwing Snape in the process, just like he does in SWM.
Lupin saves Harry from the consequences of his irresponsibility the way the Trio will now save Hagrid from his.
Snape, otoh, ought to realize the Prank was all his fault, as presumably Malfoy should take all responsibility for the Buckbeak thing. I'm sensing a house pattern here.
Neville's to blame for the school’s stupid security measures just as Malfoy's to blame for Hagrid's stupid security measures.
Meanwhile, four people in a row decide not to tell anyone about the more obvious hole in the security system.
It’s a gun. No it isn’t! It’s Chekov! No it isn’t!
My dad didn’t strut!
Status: Fired in Harry’s face. Harry’s dad struts so fine he tutors roosters on weekends.
Who are those guys who made that map?
Status: Fired, obviously, in a few chapters.
The Prank!
Status: Fired, but not before everything's arranged to make Snape mostly responsible. He practically plays a Prank on himself. James barely noticed.
Sirius slashed the curtains around Ron's bed
Status: Fired. The drapery will have their revenge. Mwahahahaha!
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Designated Hero
Hermione shows herself willing to sacrifice her only friends to keep one of them safe. Ron goes Stanley Kowalski on her ass. Our designated hero? Doesn’t even think of stepping in to defend her.
Also James Potter, according to Snape. Don't you dare say he saved his life!!!
Misdirected Answering
Let’s see, Harry, Ron and Hagrid have talked about Hermione and his hippogriff. What else could there be to talk about? Oh yes, Quidditch!
Jabootu score 3
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I totally want to hear Draco's gossip about Theo now.
Randomly, maybe the post office is more like an owl rental service than an actual post office? If Errol finally kicked the bucket, how would the Weasleys send mail? Perhaps Xenophilus would appreciate a Muggle letter encased in stamps, but I doubt anyone else would.
The security mess in this book is one point where HBP actually handles something better than other books in the series. Hey, maybe we should have some magical protections around the school so people can't get in! No one has ever thought to institute these emergency security measures in all 1000 years of the school's existence! Draco has to work to sneak people in, and a broken cabinet in a hidden room does seem like something it's possible to overlook as a hole in security.
The drapery will have their revenge. Mwahahahaha!
Hee! How did we ever miss that clue at the time?
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So much about this book is reminiscent of HBP it turns out, but it is kind of funny that there's all those security measures in HBP and nothing in PoA when they know someone is actually breaking into the school!
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Hee! How did we ever miss that clue at the time?
I think I'm missing it now; I've clearly forgotten something from my sole perusal of the book many years ago. I look forward to Sister Magpie doing all the work and pointing it out to me in a future review!
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Why doesn't anybody ask who gave Sirius the passwords list? They are letting Harry, Ron and all other Gryffindors live and sleep in an area of the castle that was invaded twice by Sirius when it is possible that one of kids (or staff members or house-elves or who knows) may have been in cahoots with Sirius. Makes me want to scream.
Harry and Voldemort both refuse to take it as a given that if they tripped over something in Hogwarts, it's quite possible lots of other people over the years have too.
Both Tom and Harry (there should have been a Dick in this series too) were raised in the Muggle world, Tom in London and Harry in suburbia - they were not used to a world where everyone attends a single school for generations. OK, this may explain their attitudes in their youth but in his 70s Tom should have realized just how many people have been through Hogwarts since he placed the diadem in the ROHT.
Weirdly, I can picture Hagrid giving this speech to the boys if Hermione was their single mother. She's got all this work to do and she's so worried about them and is trying to keep them safe and they need to be more appreciative and clean their rooms…
That's typical of the way Hermione interacts with peers. She mothers Neville, Harry and Ron. Her doing the laundry and cooking in DH is a continuation of this trend, though that was the only time she complained about it.
Hermione was really upset when Sirius nearly stabbed Ron. After he's married Ron probably hires people to regularly injure him in an attempted murder since it's like the only time Hermione can express an uncomplicated affection.
And in HBP they nearly patch things up when he gets poisoned.
Dark Magic honestly does seem to be shorthand for vaguely Gothic taste. If you don't have that you could be a gang raping Quidditch team and it would still be good clean fun.
See Terri's analysis of how different people in the Potterverse use 'Dark Arts' and 'Dark Magic' to mean different things, and how this maps to political alignment: Dark Magic Doth Never Prosper, Part I, and while we are at it, <a href="http://terri-testing.livejournal.com/28607.html>Part II</a> which has more about how the anti-Dark Arts attitudes might be endangering the ones that hold them and their families. I have linked those previously, but they are relevant here too. When Severus is interrogating Harry he looks in his eyes and Harry tries hard not to blink - I bet there was at least some superficial Legilimency going on there. In this case Harry endangered himself while breaking rules for stupid benefit, pranked a rival student and lied in an attempt to cover himself - very James-like. And now, in the middle of third year, is the first time ever that Severus brings James up in front of Harry. He will do so again during the confrontation in June and then make no more mention of James until December of Y5. <i>People often claim that SWM was a big surprise and turnaround for James?</i> Never heard that one. Before DH it was assumed the 'prank' came after SWM, and many thought the turning point was realizing that no matter how much he hated Snivelli, James did not think he deserved to be eaten by Remus, but with the reversal of that timeline it isn't clear what supports Sirius and Remus' claim about his growing out of bullying. Severus should have skipped the confrontation with Remus and taken the parchment directly to Albus. Or insisted that Remus join him and they bring the map to Albus. Though with Albus' known preference for the Marauders over Severus I doubt it would have done much good. Remus knows Harry was in Hogsmeade, so he knows through which passage Harry could have left the school, but says nothing even about that, let alone the map. <i>Ron thrives under unexpected attention, as he will again in OotP.</i> Is that about the Quidditch game? In GOF he will draw attention after the second task, and in HBP Lavender will claim he became 'interesting' enough for Hermione after being poisoned.
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She would so test as Wendy in a "Which Peter Pan Character Are You?" quiz.
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Not sure about fixing the comment--you can edit if you have a paid account, but only until you reply to the comment I think.
And yeah, I was totally thinking of Ron being poisoned. 2 alleged murder attempts, 2 times Hermione's fretting over it!
It's kind of funny now I think of it that Herimone is so mothering since she's an only child. Like, I could understand doing their homework coming much more naturally than doing their laundry. But then Hermione probably just likes to be able to do everything.
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It's Dumbledore.
Hey, his name begins with a D. And none of the Dursleys fit into the triad.
and then [Severus] make[s] no more mention of James until December of Y5.
And then, he's talking to Sirius, not Harry, except for immediately after Harry looks in the Pensieve. I don't think Severus brings up the subject of James to Harry except here and in HBP, during the detention for nearly killing Draco.
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Hee!!!! :-) :-)
Clever, love it!!!
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*takes deep breath and starts reading*
Ron backs him up on this, speculating that if Black broke into Honeydukes they'd hear about it. Um, why?
Silly, SILLY Ron! Ignore him, Harry. It's like like the advice came from *Hermione*, after all.
Hagrid sends a letter to Harry to meet him for tea. I'll try to take comfort in the fact that it isn't tear-stained at least, but it's a meager comfort.
Ha ha ha!!!! :-)
I am sympathetic to Hermione here
*wipes brow; it is safe to proceed!*
Hagrid says he thought the boys cared about their friend more than broomsticks or rats.
I never fully realised what an absolute SAINT Hagrid is! God bless 'im.
After he's married Ron probably hires people to regularly injure him in an attempted murder since it's like the only time Hermione can express an uncomplicated affection.
Oh, I laughed-out-loud with this one. These reviews are excellent! (Just lay off Hermione, okay? Great, thanks.) :-)
It’s not that the series doesn't get that Hagrid’s an idiot, it just seems to present his idiocy as a virtue.
And again, to keep hammering on it, when Hagrid says that people can be stupid about their pets the text means him and Hermione, not Ron and the Malfoys (if we think of Draco for a pet for a second there). Has Hagrid counseled Hermione to apologize to Ron at all? Because his situation is just as analogous to Hagrid and Buckbeak's.
Do you really think Rowling meant for the readers to see Hagrid's double-standards at play here?
I regret to say that I didn't really pick up on it in the first and only time I read the book, years ago. And these days - given how badly she failed with the last two books - I really don't have any respect for Rowling at all. Many of her interviews have shown that she really can't see what we see, she's blind to anything but her own biased mental image of her world, and that her mental model is really really simplistic.
I really think there's a good chance she was as blind to Hagrid's hypocrisy here as she was to all the other stupidity of the later books. Really.
Ron basically tells her to shut her fat mouth or he'll shut it for her. He must really be in love!
Well, the overall indicator of true love throughout the series is jealousy, but R/Hr also has the lazy television sitcom writer's 'fighting means true love' trope going for it as well.
It's creepy the way Ron is sometimes there to be a jerk so Harry can enjoy the benefits without being the jerk himself. Ron's useful all right. Make no mistake.
There you go, this is part of what I was trying to say about Ron in the comments of the last chatper's review, about Ron's role in 'dragging Harry down', take it easy mate she'll be right, just accept the status quo. You put it better and found a concrete example (with Ron being more actively nasty in this case).
If I were Hermione I would never want to be with anyone who talked to me the way Ron talks to her here, btw. But I guess it turns Hermione on or something.
That's one of the horrible things about Rowling's R/Hr, of course. I'm not sure if a pro-canon fan's stance on R/Hr has their true luv starting all the way back to third year or before; I *think* so. Certainly just one year from now they would have one believe that R/Hr is a done deal. Hermione just spends all of these years attracted to Ron and waiting for him to grow up. While fighting with him like cats and dogs and
acceptingenduring all of these insults.It's horrible.
Really, it's a pretty huge honkin' coincidence that he happened to get the map from unrelated people the same year Lupin showed up.
I find it hard to believe that the twins would suddenly give Harry their gift of the map. When they could use it themselves. When "knowing all the secret passages" doesn't cover for how the map gives on the location of all the castle inhabitants in real time, something they would always need. But you covered this in a previous review I think.
But yeah, just another Rowling co-incidence.
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I'm not a pro-canon stancer but...
CoS ch. 15, "Aragog" has Ron wanting to fight Draco Malfoy during Potions for the things Malfoy is saying about Hermione. Same chapter, when Harry wants Ron to follow the trail of spiders with him, Ron looks at Hermione's empty chair to ramp up the courage to go with Harry.
One for the H/Hr shippers which turned out to be instead a) a clue to the mystery of CoS and b) a clue to H/G - When Harry, Ron and the twins are playing Exploding Snap while Harry and Ron wait to follow the spiders, Harry notices Ginny sitting quietly in Hermione's usual chair and watching the game.
But like I said before, I'd rather Rowling had left the outcome of the shipping a mystery. That epilogue was the pits.
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Oh, I don't think it's about showing us Hagrid's double standards, but just sort of highlighting that nobody gets sillier about their pets than lovable old Hagrid, you know? Like with the whole Grawp storyline I think JKR did sort of laugh and say yeah, Hagrid really was dopey there bringing a giant back to Hogwarts etc. But of course she still eventually wrote it like he had done something good and that Grawp came to love Hagrid. (Stockholm Syndrome, I guess!)
So I agree--I don't think she's seeing hypocrisy there in Hagrid.
That's one of the horrible things about Rowling's R/Hr, of course. I'm not sure if a pro-canon fan's stance on R/Hr has their true luv starting all the way back to third year or before; I *think* so. Certainly just one year from now they would have one believe that R/Hr is a done deal. Hermione just spends all of these years attracted to Ron and waiting for him to grow up. While fighting with him like cats and dogs and accepting enduring all of these insults.
The whole 'waiting for Ron to grow up thing' doesn't work for me either. It's funny because no matter how much I know that canon says R/Hr were happily married etc. and Lavender proved to just be a bad idea that taught Ron not to go for the unworthy girl, I still always picture Ron and Hermione as divorced in the future and I can totally imagine Ron and Lavender having a perfectly good relationship.
And yeah, if the twins think the only point of the MM was to know the secret passages, they're not the twins we know.
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Gotta love a chapter where Snape is full-on unpleasant to Potter, who, of course, is lying to him. Snape truly was a gift of character, one which JKR picked up with disgust, buried on a shelf cluttered with kitsch, then knocked off in a clumsy attempt to reach a message, which she missed, not realizing how close he was to it.
I'm slowly coming around to your view that the author didn't disapprove of the Marauders' behavior despite giving them flaws that led to their downfalls. However, she poisoned the well against Severus right from the start. Even though it seemed it would turn out a gimmick, she could never really bring herself to make her antagonists reach a face-to-face understanding, let alone allow forgiveness... until the dreadful epilogue, where Harry supposedly proved he became the bigger man and Snape proved to be merely the occasion of his munificence.
You remarked in the last post that Severus was bitter, jealous, and tunnel-visioned, and thinking about it, those traits can arguably be seen from his childhood up to the moment he killed Dumbledore. Still, I don't know how Snape could have overcome his character flaws on his own, which is essentially what he was from the moment Lily dumped him (not that I am blaming her, although the moment was poorly written, and seemed the culmination of repeated accusations against his character without the balancing view of a caring and fun friendship, i.e., Snape was always being blamed and, according to some, was usually to blame; friendship is as weird as love in these books). The frustrating thing about Snape was that he was so often right about things like Lupin being a werewolf, James Potter being a threat to his friendship with Lily, the various DADA teachers being fakes and boobs, Harry Potter surviving because of sheer luck and more-talented friends, and not skill, study, or particular talent. Nobody on the good side listens to him, probably because the delivery isn't sugar-coated.
Honestly, I'd argue that many of the HP characters were jealous, which was Ron's flaw, at least, only overcome by loyalty, and which was the hallmark of true love otherwise. Quite a few HP characters were probably also tunnel-visioned, including Voldemort and Dumbledore. Snape had his own circle of Hell, though, where loyalty looked like possessiveness and dedication looked like obsession, where calling someone a name in a moment of distress was worse than hurling bloodthirsty canaries, or ignoring your sick sister in favor of world domination. But, bitterness was all Snape's, and not even Lily's death was enough to jolt him out of it. Mostly, Lily's death put Snape into Dumbledore's manipulative and otherwise careless hands. On the plus side, his bitterness probably turned on himself, so he wouldn't have been able to do anything without the direction of the master of puppets.
But, enough about Snape! (My userpic says it all.)
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Like Fake!Moody. Like Dumbledore. Wait, did you say good teachers? I suppose learning to lie is a necessary skill in the Wizarding World.
People often claim that SWM was a big surprise and turnaround for James?
Wasn't that the Prank, before we knew that it happened before SWM, which was only a set-up to show how Snape was really, truly, deep-down, a hardcore "racist," and the Marauders were merely high-spirited teens, and popular, too? (I doubt JKR had real-life incidents in mind of bullied kids becoming potential murderers when she wrote this scene, let alone all the sadness and residual bitterness I've recently read in posts about bullying people experienced in school.)
Meanwhile, four people in a row decide not to tell anyone about the more obvious hole in the security system.
Remember that lesson, kids! Never tell the authorities, even if you're being abused or others are in danger. Ignore danger and it will go away. Or, handle everything yourself. If you can't, there's something wrong with you. Only sissies point out danger. Only losers ask for help. (Which is probably why Snape went to the Shack alone, actually.)
It's creepy the way Ron is sometimes there to be a jerk so Harry can enjoy the benefits without being the jerk himself.
Falls under the category of help from his more-talented friends.
Really, it's a pretty huge honkin' coincidence that he happened to get the map from unrelated people the same year Lupin showed up.
A coincidence? In a Rowling book? Nah...
But, yeah, why would the Twins give it to him, if he wasn't just that special? Maybe they wanted to get him killed. Sounds like good, pranky fun to me!
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It's especially weird with Snape where we see that he really did have this group of guys who tormented him, and 2 of them started out with all these advantages he didn't have, socially. Yet his final story, when we know it, just seems to absolve them of all blame for him, imo. Yes they bullied him, but that's almost a side issue.
I mean, I agree that looking at Snape as a character, the deck was just stacked against him. I think somebody else really should take some responsibility for at least not trying to save him--I'd say the same about Draco in a smaller way. You've got the kids at school for 7 years, you know their background and you should know the kinds of influences they're under. But sometimes it seems like DD is encouraging them along that path. Yes, they make their own choices and have to be responsible for them, but it's not like as the headmaster or teacher you have no stake in the whole thing. It's what tends to leave me with the feeling that it's very mean-spirited. Unless you show up blessed with the right ideas you're screwed.Even though DD makes speeches about and takes credit for being an ethical role model.
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This was really horrifying. It killed McGonagall for me, which I wasn't pleased about as I usually like that sort of character. Not her initial rage: that's the kind of OTT reaction I'd expect out of someone scared to death as she must have been. But that she continued on with the initial idea that Neville was to blame, not the portrait or Dumbledore. (Huh. I just thought, when Hermione expects Ron to apologize for thinking her cat killed his mouse, do you think she ever thought she should apologize to Neville for her cat getting him into the dog house?)
Hagrid actually wants to talk about Hermione.
I remember this scene giving a patina of depth to Hermione and her suffering. In that I thought it showed she was pretty much friendless (having no one to hang with but Hagrid) and very, very clueless about how people work. That she just honestly did not get that Ron might be grieving for his pet (that he's had since birth pretty much, iirc). Which in turn cast a certain sympathetic light on Hagrid that he did get some things, and realized Hermione just couldn't figure out what she'd done wrong. That Harry, and especially Ron, needed to be the bigger people in this case.
Especially with that ironic turn towards Buckbeak after Hagrid has his "stupid about their pets" line. If only the storyline had followed through! Maybe when Hermione is horrified to realize Buckbeak is going to be put down have her finally grasp how Ron was feeling about his pet. Leading to her apologizing and him apologizing and yay for character growth. :) Alas.
If I were Hermione I would never want to be with anyone who talked to me the way Ron talks to her here, btw.
This so goes towards my why are they friends?!? As does Ron and Harry's trip to Hogsmeade. Nothing they do would have entertained Hermione a whit. She would have been bored silly and her boredom would have annoyed them.
Also, hilariously I didn't remember Ron threatening Hermione like that! (I do have my biases, but what a thing to miss!) I guess this is where Ron as wife-beater comes from? That was an awfully dark place for JKR to go, but... maybe she thinks that's just how boys are? They like fake puke and candy and punching people.
If she can see the danger in the Firebolt why does she have no problem with a secret passage nobody knows about?
Which completely undermines the whole Firebolt incident. What was her motivation there if it's not triggered here? Is the Scabbers fight wearing her down? It could have, but... if she's brave enough to say something to their face, why not follow through with a trip to McGonagall?
Snape says it’s very touching Harry’s still carrying them around after all this time—LOL Snape!
Oh pre-DH Snape, I have missed you. *sigh*
Enter Lupin. Another character destroyed by DH (though, iirc, HBP did a pretty good job there as well.) Reading this I can remember why Lupin being in love with Sirius seemed such a logical argument. What but mad, passionate love would make a person make such stupidly dangerous choices? (Apparently, extreme passivity.)
(Which is why in my personal canon right in the middle of a big toast at Hermione's wedding a rather nasty word broke out in pustules all over her face.)
Oh, hah! And Rita Skeeter is right there with a photographer at the ready. :D (So begins the revolution?)
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Yes. <3 :(
Enter Lupin. Another character destroyed by DH (though, iirc, HBP did a pretty good job there as well.) Reading this I can remember why Lupin being in love with Sirius seemed such a logical argument. What but mad, passionate love would make a person make such stupidly dangerous choices? (Apparently, extreme passivity.)
Yes Yes Yes.
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I was surprised reading the R/Hr scene to think that yeah, maybe this is where the Ron as Wifebeater thing comes in! I don't think it was really meant that way, of course. She's never ever really physically threatened by Ron. But he sure does sound like a guy who is here!
I think the reason Hermione has this weird turnaround when it comes to telling about the passage is just plot reasons--JKR can deal with Harry losing his Firebolt for a bit (it's not like he even misses a game) but she wants the passage opened. Hermione winds up looking like she's got some weird ulterior motive.
I used to not get the Sirius/Lupin vibes but a friend explained to me that really, when you think about it, their being ex-lovers explains Lupin's behavior really well. I could see her point!
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I was actually interested in Lupin's development in HBP and the first part of DH, because I thought JKR was actually going for Lupin as spiraling down thanks to his job hanging out with werewolves who hated him and were probably biting people and he couldn't stop them, which has got to ruin your year, and then the DEs putting his new family in the crosshairs. Plus it was a great setup for Things That Happen Twice: Lupin as Suspected Turncoat! Then nothing happened. WTF, Jo?
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OMG! Not only does he do nothing, he just checks to see if Hermione's gone before he goes back to planning his escape. It's creepy the way Ron is sometimes there to be a jerk so Harry can enjoy the benefits without being the jerk himself.
This is so much of what I liked about the books. Harry's detachment from the absurd world he inhabited, from the friends he actually didn't like all that much... He'd shown such promise as a developing deadpan snarker (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeadpanSnarker).
Harry wonders if anyone would believe Malfoy if he told them about this wondrous occurrence. Again, Harry, magic. Malfoy didn’t actually see anything that wondrous, by the rules of the world in which you have lived for 3 years.
Likewise, this could have been a demonstration of Harry's inability to fully belong to either world. At this point it's still so new and shiny - he doesn't realize how disconnected from the wizarding world he really is.
Lupin warns Harry not to expect him to cover up for him again. Well, why on earth are you covering up for him the first time, you silly werewolf? Oh right. Wants to be liked.
In retrospect I do wonder a bit why it never occurred to me to take these books at face value. I just took it for granted that all the contradictions indicated how secretly complex and well-realized all the adult characters were.
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Yes! This! Which led to some wonderful theories and character studies that... went nowhere. :(
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Nor does Hermione for that matter, right? I suppose that 13-year-olds aren't the most sensible people in the world. But then, you'd think Ron would worry about that tunnel after nearly being knifed in his bed. It's this sort of thing that makes me channel my inner Snape and mutter, "Idiots!"
And even if you did hear about a candy store break-in there's no guarantee you’d hear about it before Sirius had slit your throat. It's not like you’d pick it up on Twitter while the break in was in progress.
Remember that wizards have something--some mysterious magical thing--that's way better than Twitter. We don't know what it is, of course, but it's way better than the internet. Really.
After he's married Ron probably hires people to regularly injure him in an attempted murder since it's like the only time Hermione can express an uncomplicated affection.
That's a Gryffindor thing, remember? Hermione expresses affection for Ron when he's nearly killed, or gets his leg broken, or ends up poisoned in the hospital. Fleur finally convinces people that she's in love with Bill when he's nearly killed. And Tonks does the best she can to piggy-back on that moment to lure Lupin into bed. (She probably started the romance on the strength of nearly being killed at the MoM the year before.)
It's creepy the way Ron is sometimes there to be a jerk so Harry can enjoy the benefits without being the jerk himself.
Exactly. Many people exist merely in order to be jerks for Harry's benefit. That was very clear in DH when Ron disappeared and Harry had to denigrate Hermione all on his lonesome.
Uh-oh, here comes Neville. Look, Nev, Harry’s busy. Go away and come back when a snake needs killing.
LOL!
I realize that JKR is doing the right thing by bringing everything back to the plots, such as they are, but wouldn’t it be cool if just once Malfoy walked up and was saying something completely unrelated to Harry's life? Like, "…up the courage to tell his mother but then his dad got sick again and you know whenever Theo tries to talk to her about the possibility of his dad not…" before he snapped into "What are you doing, Weasley?"
But you know if she had done that, we would have spent years obsessively coming up with theories about how Theo's mom was going to play a pivotal part in the last book and getting bent out of shape when she didn't.
Dark Magic honestly does seem to be shorthand for vaguely Gothic taste.
Or vice versa.
Snape is often wrong in saying Harry is like James, but if you get out of Harry’s head you would see a guy not completely unlike James. Yeah, there's times where the text is jumping up and down to show that all of James's bad qualities should be mapped onto Malfoy, but Harry's in there too.
Exactly. Actually, I think JKR meant for us to map Malfoy's bad qualities onto James--thereby showing us that Draco isn't maybe such a bad kid after all. Like James, he's just entitled and immature. But if he marries and has a kid right out of school, maybe he'll man up.
Yeah, we didn't need James to tell us that Draco might grow up. Those readers who liked Draco knew it already. Those who didn't will never be convinced.
Once you do get out of Harry's head, Snape's jerk factor goes down by 90 percent. It doesn't go away completely, but it doesn't take a huge paradigm shift to see that Harry really is being a brat about this and that Snape's reaction is understandable considering that the entire school is being held captive to Harry's special safety needs.
I think you could add "Harry risks his life for no good reason" that to the list of things that happen twice.
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But you know if she had done that, we would have spent years obsessively coming up with theories about how Theo's mom was going to play a pivotal part in the last book and getting bent out of shape when she didn't.
Heh. We practically did. There were tons of Theo theories based on the stuff on the website that basically came down to us hearing Theo's bio that every student had.
Yeah, the neat thing about Snape is that he is a jerk but that jerkiness can come in handy in covering up when Harry's in the wrong. Yet another reason why characters like Snape can be so dang useful.
Good call on the life risking! Yes!
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There was that bit toward the beginning of OotP where he kind of teases her about her name, but that's pretty thin as evidence for anything but being good colleagues. Though I remember a big draft plot chart from JKR's site (one of the extras, forget where) that showed a scene with Lupin and Tonks in Hogsmeade. So maybe she just cut all the bits that would have made that whole thing convincing and then forgot we can't read her mind.
But yes, the MoM aftermath sounds like a likely time for that, given the way these books go. Blech.
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