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deathtocapslockAm I the only one a little bothered by Dumbledore? Not only with the fact he could end up in the Guinness Book Of World Records for "Most Incompetent Headmaster of All Time" (though I'm sure there's worse. :P), but also because...he just bugs me. I know JKR was trying to write him as the "flawed Yoda", so to speak (and to be fair, he's nowhere near Yoda. XD), but it's also how...preachy he gets. Towards Fudge, for example. You know, in Goblet of Fire, with, "You place too much importance on purity of blood, yadda yadda et cetera et cetera" -- which considering how he treated Tom Riddle and the Slytherins is...slightly hypocritical isn't it? Probably bad writing on JKR's part, though. :/
Anyways, sorry 'bout the rambling. Thoughts?
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Date: 2011-03-06 02:51 pm (UTC)That guy was fun to play. Oh, he did evil things. He ran the school as an efficient headmaster should and kept his evil in his private life. And the player characters just about worshipped him. Which I never understood. And he really didn't care what they thought.
Oh, he had a vampiric condition, was once a vampire but partially recovered. Needless to say, he didn't permit vampirism on campus.
The best likeness I ever seen of him is General Vaklu in KOTOR 2. Dead ringer, in fact. My kid and I were amazed by the resemblance. I had drawn (and lost) pics of this evil headmaster.
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Date: 2011-03-06 02:53 pm (UTC)And General Vaklu, hmm? Considering Vaklu's been a favorite character of mine (he's kind of like Dooku; he's technically the bad guy, but he's an awesome bad guy if that makes any sense. ;-)...well, all I can say is...awesome. :)
*Would like to read some more about this headmaster, if possible* Seriously, I can picture him looking at Dumbledore and going, "Peh. Amateur." :P
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Date: 2011-03-06 03:08 pm (UTC)Well, yes, he would look at Dumbledore with pitying contempt. No, not even pity. He spares no one that sentimentality. Dumbledore is just another hypocrite.
I don't have any fic written up on him; what I did have is lost :(
But maybe in the future.
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Date: 2011-03-06 03:13 pm (UTC)And yes, Dumbledore really *is* a hypocrite, is he not? I can picture Kreia just rolling her eyes at him. Or...say if she managed to outsmart Dumbledore, I can see something along the lines of ATLA happening. :)
DUMBLEDORE: You've beaten me at my own game.
KREIA: Don't flatter yourself. You were never even a player.
Seriously, Kreia would *totally* pwn Dumbledore. /Nerd Mode off. XD
And I'll definitely be on the look out for more fanfic. :)
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Date: 2011-03-06 03:32 pm (UTC)KREIA: Don't flatter yourself. You were never even a player.
This is so Kreia! Total WIN!
You did get that link for the rest of the Dark of the Stars fic? That's the WIP I'm focusing on now.
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Date: 2011-03-06 04:02 pm (UTC)And yes, Kreia's more badass than Dumbledore can ever be. Not only is she more awesome (Sara Kestelman is made of win), but she's also better written. She has a backstory for why she thinks the way she does (if the Arren Kae is Kreia theory is to be believed, she was cast out of the Order not only for her...controversial teachings, but also for having a child) -- what happened to her ultimately broke her into the bitter old woman we know and love. (In fact, Kreia's probably one of the most bitter characters in a KOTOR game)
Plus, no one ever grovels before her. If anything, a lot of characters in the game dislike her (Atton, especially). And the Exile gets an option to disagree with her regarding her...interesting perspective on charity. (Which makes a sick amount of sense)
Plus, the idea of her being evil adds a new twist on the "Obi-Wan" thing.
This explains why Kreia's cooler than Dumbledore, IMHO. :):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1aDMnh1ksE
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Date: 2011-03-06 04:12 pm (UTC)Yes, Kreia is just awesome! when I found out she was Revan's Jedi master, I was YES!!!
My fics don't follow Kreia=Arren Kae line because I wasn't aware of that when I did write them, and I saw so much Kreia/Exar Kun when she was younger which is why I think she did the things she did to subtly induce Revan into becoming a Sith Lord.
But the Arren Kae scenario is a fascinating alternate, I think.
She doesn't even care what others think of her; only the Exile.
Cool video.
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Date: 2011-03-06 04:28 pm (UTC)Um...Kreia would totally take Dumbles' balls, put 'em in her pocket and save 'em for a rainy day? :P
(Nah, I kid. XD But I get what you mean. :)
"Yes, Kreia is just awesome! when I found out she was Revan's Jedi master, I was YES!!!"
Indeed! :D
"My fics don't follow Kreia=Arren Kae line because I wasn't aware of that when I did write them, and I saw so much Kreia/Exar Kun when she was younger which is why I think she did the things she did to subtly induce Revan into becoming a Sith Lord.
But the Arren Kae scenario is a fascinating alternate, I think."
I used to not follow it at first; then I saw Scorchy's amazing LP and...well, I became a follower of it. Plus, the idea is just more chilling and tragic, IMHO. (Though the Kreia/Exar Kun thing works as well. :)
"She doesn't even care what others think of her; only the Exile."
Because the Exile's probably the only one she's ever cared about. At least in the last years of her life. She'd even kill the galaxy if it meant the Exile might live.
"Cool video."
It is. :) And it definitely helps that Sara Kestelman's voice-acting is probably the best in the game -- which says a lot. :3
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Date: 2011-03-06 04:45 pm (UTC)Kreia probably would arrange to have Dumbledore removed as headmaster so he couldn't do any more harm, ball and all!
I've already written a lot of fic based on the Kreia/Exar Kun that it makes so much sense and the way the Jedi dealt with Exar Kun made her very bitter, in my head!canon. It just worked out so well, and explained so much to me. And why she chose Revan and trained him the way she did.
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Date: 2011-03-06 05:00 pm (UTC)Awesome! :D
(Although there'd probably be a lot of protest from some of the students. But then again, (a) probably not a lot depending on how Dumbledore's seen by the school -- seriously, after he's temporarily removed in CoS everyone loses their marbles -- and (b) It's Kreia. She'll find a way. :3)
"I've already written a lot of fic based on the Kreia/Exar Kun that it makes so much sense and the way the Jedi dealt with Exar Kun made her very bitter, in my head!canon. It just worked out so well, and explained so much to me. And why she chose Revan and trained him the way she did."
Care to hook a girl up on the whole Exar Kun thing? *Is curious*
But yeah...very cool interpretation, methinks. (And a nice mirror to Atris when you think about it. ^__^)
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Date: 2011-03-06 06:54 pm (UTC)(see icon)
He messed around in ruins in Korriban and went to Onderon to learn more about Freedon Nadd's tomb, and Freedon Nadd's spirit repeatedly tortured him into falling to the Dark Side.
Exar Kun thought he was going to make a new Golden Age of the Sith. The spirit of Marka Ragnos appointed him and another, Ulic Qel Droma, into being the bringers of the new age. Exar Kun then tricked a lot of Jedi using Sith Holocrons with Sith spirits that posessed the Jedi, making them fall to the Dark Side.
But what got me was that Kun's own master, Vodo Bas Siosk, said that Exar Kun had a dark place in his heart where no light could shine.
Master Vodo, or Bodo as he is sometimes called, is one of the great ancient Grandmaster Jedis who actually formulated the Jedi Code.
But if he knew there was something wrong with Exar Kun, that he had a hidden hurt deep inside that no one ever knew of, why did he continue teaching Kun and let him wander around and dig around on Korriban?
It's just like Dumbledore in that respect. And remember Mical's discussion of why no one ever saw the danger sign in Exar Kun as well as Revan?
Exar Kun is the one who had all those buildings on Yavin 4 built, where the Rebels had their base in ANH. He had taken some wild Massassi there who had been left over from a previous Sith Lord who had taken refuge on Yavin 4, Naga Sadow. Kun mutated these Massassi into monsters.
The Jedi retaliated by destroying the surface of that world, killing everything on it in a huge fire, so it took many years for the jungle to grow back in.
That's another contention, Jedi just killing an entire race that had been enslaved in the first place. (Of course I am sure retcon is going to smooth that over like an embarassment, but I think it is fitting.)
Plus Kreia is the right age to be involved with Exar Kun forty years before, IMO, Kreia is too old to be Arren Kae, really. And I can see Kreia being really bitter over how Exar Kun had been handled.
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Date: 2011-03-06 07:03 pm (UTC)And Jesus Christ, Master Vodo/Bodo/Frodo/whatever is really a *dumbass*. (Does dumbassery just run in the Order? :/)
"Plus Kreia is the right age to be involved with Exar Kun forty years before, IMO, Kreia is too old to be Arren Kae, really. And I can see Kreia being really bitter over how Exar Kun had been handled."
True. Although it does depend on how old Master Kae was when she "died" on Malachor V... *Contemplative*
And *Jesus* -- the Jedi actually *did* that?
(See, this is stuff we should send to some of the more moronic people of TV Tropes: this is one reason people may dislike the Jedi; they pull stupid stuff like this! I mean, to quote Confused Matthew *again*, guardians of truth and justice my ass! >:()
/Bitch mode off. XD
Either way, I can picture Kreia being bitter about how Exar Kun was handled. And like I said...another great mirror to Atris, methinks. :)
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Date: 2011-03-06 07:11 pm (UTC)Yeah, I kind of see Arren Kae as a bit on the younger side, since she was involved with Yusanis and had a baby, although there are as many convincing clues that she was Arren Kae. I'm just going by head!canon, which is all YMMV. Both ways are equally compelling reasons for Kreia being bitter. But I like the scenario in my fics that a young Revan quietly observing that something had hurt his Master and he has no idea what, and she has no idea that he can sense it.
I don't want the part about burning a world retconned over, because it does testify to the fundemental flaws of the Jedi, and that they can act with great cruelty, too. It's a common theme in my fics. I have my OC in my fics telling the redeemed Revan that the Jedi can be cruel when they see fit too, after she questions him about the Jedi brainwashing and reprogramming him, which to me is a deep violation of an individual being, no matter how evil he may be.
Thanks! interesting foil for Atris.
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Date: 2011-03-06 07:18 pm (UTC)"But I like the scenario in my fics that a young Revan quietly observing that something had hurt his Master and he has no idea what, and she has no idea that he can sense it."
Me as well. :)
"I don't want the part about burning a world retconned over, because it does testify to the fundemental flaws of the Jedi, and that they can act with great cruelty, too. It's a common theme in my fics. I have my OC in my fics telling the redeemed Revan that the Jedi can be cruel when they see fit too, after she questions him about the Jedi brainwashing and reprogramming him, which to me is a deep violation of an individual being, no matter how evil he may be."
*Is interested*
I'll definitely take a looksie when I have the time.
And you're welcome. :3 (Seriously, I should really make an Atris +/Kreia icon with: "Rhyming scenes: Not just restricted to the PT anymore." *Beat* Okay, I know how horrible that suddenly sounds. XD)
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Date: 2011-03-07 02:16 am (UTC)Thanks!!!
An Atris and Kreia icon would be awesome!
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Date: 2011-03-07 05:13 pm (UTC)And yes, an Atris and Kreia icon would rock. (Seriously, they are so underrated it's not funny) :3