[identity profile] ladyhadhafang.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] deathtocapslock

Am I the only one a little bothered by Dumbledore? Not only with the fact he could end up in the Guinness Book Of World Records for "Most Incompetent Headmaster of All Time" (though I'm sure there's worse. :P), but also because...he just bugs me. I know JKR was trying to write him as the "flawed Yoda", so to speak (and to be fair, he's nowhere near Yoda. XD), but it's also how...preachy he gets. Towards Fudge, for example. You know, in Goblet of Fire, with, "You place too much importance on purity of blood, yadda yadda et cetera et cetera" -- which considering how he treated Tom Riddle and the Slytherins is...slightly hypocritical isn't it? Probably bad writing on JKR's part, though. :/

Anyways, sorry 'bout the rambling. Thoughts?

Date: 2011-03-11 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dracasadiablo.livejournal.com
To me, this suggests that she doesn't have much self awareness or awareness of the sorts of characters she writes more than anything.

It would also explain why good old Dumbles is professed the "epitome of goodness".

True.
Just look at this JKR about DD

“Dumbledore is a very wise man who knows that Harry is going to have to learn a few hard lessons to prepare him for what may be coming in his life. He allows Harry to get into what he wouldn’t allow another pupil to do and he also unwillingly permits Harry to confront things he’d rather protect him from.”
–J.K. Rowling (June 2003)

“Immense brainpower [has created] some problems… for Dumbledore, because his wisdom has isolated him, and I think you can see that in the books, because where is his equal, where is his confidante, where is his partner? He has none of those things. He’s always the one who gives, he’s always the one who has the insight and has the knowledge…. I see him as isolated, and a few people have said to me rightly I think, that he is detached.”
–J.K. Rowling (July 2005)

Date: 2011-03-11 01:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] borg-princess.livejournal.com
As if Dumbles ever protected a student from anything! And I don't know why more people don't find his 'grooming' of a child for death absolutely disgusting.

And IDK wtf Dumbles ever GAVE. Certainly none of the knowledge he possessed. I laugh at the so-called 'lessons' he gave Harry in HBP. I was waiting all this time for him to step up and be a proper mentor and then he half-asses it with pensieve sessions which are about exonerating him of any guilt and passing on his appalling propaganda and making sure Harry's filled with hatred and validating it as 'love'.

Date: 2011-03-11 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charlottehywd.livejournal.com
Wow, that just about says it.

Date: 2011-03-11 03:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dracasadiablo.livejournal.com
Now, now lets be fair he did gave a lot of candy!
And I'm having a brilliant idea! Candy = love. Power of love / thing the dark lord knows not = candy!
They should have killed old Voldy by trowing a few tons of candy on him. XD
Just kidding.

But seriously now. Everything about it disgusting. JKR have no idea how her character look to anybody not willing to overlook their true colors.

As if Dumbles ever protected a student from anything!
Correction, DD never protected anybody from anything. Not his students, not the people believing in him and not his sister.

About child 'grooming', I'm sure JKR haven't meant it like that but the first quote I posted look (to me) like this:
DD knew Harry won't survive so he let him do anything he wanted to make him believe that braking the rules =/= consequences. And to make the boy adore him and do what he tell him without questions.
Important "hard lessons to prepare him for what may be coming in his life" like having to actually be aware of consequences of your actions and need to follow the important rules are for kids that will have future.
Not for a sacrificial lamb.

I laugh at the so-called 'lessons' he gave Harry in HBP.
I see the "lessons" as a JKR's info dump and DD's "Aren't I wonderful, amazing and smart?" garbage. :/

Date: 2011-03-15 12:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] condwiramurs.livejournal.com
Important "hard lessons to prepare him for what may be coming in his life" like having to actually be aware of consequences of your actions and need to follow the important rules are for kids that will have future.

Being aware of consequences? Thinking before you act? Why on earth would Teh Hero need to learn such Slytherinish cunning when they could just jump to conclusions and rush in rashly with no thought to others? Why, that sounds terribly like The Evil Git, and we know he's never ever right about anything! Harry and his fellow Gryffindors have no need to worry about *consequences* or the possibility of *hurting others.* They mean well. Always.

/sarcasm off

Yeah, the 'lessons' were a load of crap and Dumbledore worship, overall. And they could have been taken care of over a couple of weeks at most, not a whole year.

Date: 2011-03-11 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charlottehywd.livejournal.com
What's coming in his life= being raised to be a sacrificial lamb? Of course, I dislike Harry enough that it almost doesn't bother me. If it had been Neville, however...

Date: 2011-03-11 08:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sunnyskywalker
Anyone could have yanked a wand out of Draco's hand. No Chosen One required!

Neville organized a proper resistance, took punishments to spare other kids, and set up a safe house (/room) for them. This required actually working with people and caring about them. I'd actually believe that he could go on and improve the wizarding world after Voldemort's death. Harry's pretty much useless as soon as he's served his plot purpose. Maybe he's like Deeba in Un Lun Dun - he's the Unchosen One. (It's an awesome book. The Chosen One gets clonked on the head early on, so Deeba decides she'd better take up the quest instead even though she has no obligation to do so. And there's prophecies, but she decides to skip some of the steps in the quests because they're pointless.)

Date: 2011-03-20 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charlottehywd.livejournal.com
I would root for Neville if he were the chosen one. I always liked him. :-)

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