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* Wow, so Hermione’s started lecturing people on being tactless now. Truly the world has been turned upon its head.

* Also, whilst Harry’s romancing of Cho isn’t the best, it’s still better than what Hermione “I’m going to treat my crush like dirt then act all offended when he goes out with somebody else” Granger tries.

* For “Ginny’s not bad”, read “Ginny’s good enough to become a professional Quidditch player a few years out of school.”

* Hey, Ginny’s been breaking into the broom shed and using other people’s stuff without their permission! At the age of six, no less! She’s so awesome and sassy and super-feminist!

* Although the idea of Ginny doing this to become awesome at Quidditch is a little implausible. Yes, she could learn how to fly, but there’s still the whole catching/throwing/tactics side of the game.

* Plus, of course, if Ginny’s really so good, then why didn’t she show any interest in playing before this book? About the only reason I can think of is that the positions on the Gryffindor Quidditch team were all filled, leaving her with no opportunities to play. But this raises a whole new set of issues. We never hear of flying lessons after that one time in PS, and Harry never seems to do any non-Quidditch-related flying. So what do other students do? Do they not have any opportunities to learn or practise flying at all after their first year?

* Apparently they’ll have to kill Zach Smith if he beats them in Quidditch. Repeat after me, boys: it’s only a game, and disliking Harry does not make somebody automatically evil.

* Now we have one of the rare sensible moments in the book, where Hermione points out that everybody’s taking Quidditch way too seriously.

* The Quidditch match is skated over in a paragraph, rather than getting an entire chapter dedicated to it. Harry isn’t playing, so it isn’t important enough to warrant a longer description.

* So how many of the Gryffindor players are new? I was under the impression that it was just Harry, Fred and George who’d been replaced, but the dip in quality seems to be far worse than you’d expect with just three new players, especially given that Ginny is quite a good Seeker.

* Ginny acknowledges that luck played a part in her catching the Snitch, unlike Harry, who never seems to reflect on how lucky he is to have the best broom out of anybody in Hogwarts. Brooms only make a difference when someone else has the better one, clearly.

* Also, the whole issue of which broom is better and who’s got the best is a bit hard to work out. I think they implied in PS that the Nimbus 2000 was quite a new make, probably only a couple of years old. It’s then made obsolete by the Nimbus 2001 in COS (which is another thing that’s been bugging me – are we meant to infer that there have actually been a total of 2,001 different makes of Nimbus brooms over the years?), which in turn is made obsolete a year later by the Firebolt. But then there seem to be no advances in broom technology whatsoever for the rest of the series. Just how quickly are new brooms being invented?

* Then there’s the fact that nobody but Harry seems to get a Firebolt. You’d have thought that at least one of the rich, spoilt purebloods with whom Slytherin House is apparently filled would have managed to talk their parents into getting one.

* Angelina refuses to get rid of Ron, claiming that he’s good really. Given the complete lack of any evidence for this so far, I think that nepotism is a more likely explanation.

* Slytherin are now the favourites to win, which, given how important the Seeker is, implies that Draco’s actually quite good when not facing somebody on an unbeatable broom.

* Wow, Harry’s impressed with Ginny’s performance! And he’s, like, the best Seeker Ever™! She is so cool and awesome!

* Harry tries to get to sleep, but finds himself too busy hating Snape and Umbridge. For a pure-of-heart chosen-hero-cum-messianic-archetype, he sure does feel a lot of hatred.

* Does the Neville-Sprout-McGonagall dream have any symbolic meaning, or is it just there to look suitably weird?

* Given that Voldemort might be trying to manipulate his mind, Harry ought to be less eager to have these dreams. Especially given his worries earlier that Lord V might be forcing him to attack people.

* Isn’t a Knut supposed to be the smallest denomination of wizarding currency? Because if so, paying a Knut for a newspaper seems remarkably cheap. Maybe the Daily Prophet can afford to be so cheap because it’s fired all its journalists and fact-checkers, and just regurgitates Ministry press releases.

* Or maybe it’s actually a Ministry-run paper designed specifically to churn out government propaganda, which is why it toes the party line so much. Although that doesn’t explain why everybody takes it so seriously – people tend to distrust papers which become known for being too close to the government.

* This whole “everybody believes Harry once he gets his story out there” scene is rather touching, until you remember that there was nothing stopping him getting his story out sooner, other than his own pig-headedness.

* Hermione picks up yet more information from the girls’ toilets. I suppose the Hogwarts girls are so gossipy to make up for the boys’ complete lack of interest in the world around them.

* “And it seemed that Hermione was quite right.” So no change there, then.

* I’m not sure why Seamus is so apologetic to Harry. After all, when he asked what happened, Harry refused to tell, insulted his family and threatened him with a wand. From Seamus’ POV, there’s no evidence that Harry’s telling the truth, and lots of evidence that he’s the sort of unstable, potentially violent person the Ministry’s portraying him as.

* Wow, JKR’s acknowledged that one of the Twins’ “jokes” isn’t actually very funny. Catch me, somebody, I think I’m about to faint.

* So Rookwood’s terrified of Voldemort’s vengeance, even though he hasn’t done anything wrong. Seriously, Voldemort’s not very good at inspiring loyalty in his subordinates. He sounds like one of the people who hears “it’s better to be feared than to be loved”, and then goes around acting like a total jerk, even though the original Prince went on to say that it’s even better to be both feared and loved, and that you should inspire fear in such a way that you don’t also inspire hatred.

* “We have wasted months in fruitless schemes” = “We’re all so incompetent, it takes us months to cast a simple Imperius curse on somebody”.

* I like the way Hermione uses Harry’s dream to come up with various theories, then remembers to be all bossy and authoritarian and tells him not to have any more dreams in future.

* Erm, Hermione, forgetting what Harry saw won’t stop him having any more dreams. It might, however, deprive the good side of some potentially valuable information.

* Harry’s refusing to speak to Hermione and hating Snape. In other words, he’s just his usual whiney self.

* So how could Teenaged!Snape shoot down those flies with his wand? I thought that magic was meant to be banned outside of school? Or would any Ministry wizard operating the Trace just assume it was his mum doing it? This would, of course, give an unfair advantage to Pureblood or Halfblood kids, who could just pass off any magic as their parents’; but then, I suppose fairness isn’t exactly at the forefront of the wizarding mind.

* Snape’s giving Harry a lot of praise, by his standards, not that Harry picks up on it.

* McGonagall’s looking “as though what she were watching made her feel faintly sick.” Given how little regard she has for the Divination professor, I assume this is at least as much because she dislikes Umbridge as because she feels sorry for Trelawney.

* Dumbledore hiring Firenze is either a sign of how awesomely tolerant he is, or an attempt to annoy Umbridge by hiring somebody he knows she’ll dislike. Any bets as to which it might be?

Date: 2011-09-17 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sharaz-jek.livejournal.com
* Dumbledore hiring Firenze is either a sign of how awesomely tolerant he is, or an attempt to annoy Umbridge by hiring somebody he knows she’ll dislike. Any bets as to which it might be?

And, of course, it's not like we'll see any evidence that he offered to teach the centaurs any wizarding stuff in return.

Date: 2011-09-18 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] condwiramurs.livejournal.com
To be fair, do you think the centaurs would have *wanted* to learn anything from wizards? But yeah, I doubt the notion even occurred to him.

Date: 2011-09-17 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
On Quidditch, flying lessons and related issues:

Harry obviously didn't need flying lessons, but we see that Hermione did manage to improve to the point she was able to fly the broom in the obstacle course at the end of PS. My guess is that first years take weekly flying lessons until Madam Hooch decides they can fly reasonably safely. Students in later years are allowed to bring brooms to school, so they can fly them for fun in their spare time. Brooms are the wizarding equivalent of bikes, more or less.

As for Ginny specifically - what broom did she fly on? Either a school broom or one of the old Weasley brooms. Or perhaps she persuaded someone to lend her a broom. (Or maybe Molly bought her the most expensive she could afford despite Ginny not doing anything to prove herself to Molly, because Ginny was the girl Molly always wanted while Ron was just ... well, you know.) But I doubt she had anything approximating a Firebolt or a Nimbus 2000/1.

Nimbus models: QTTA says the first model was 1000 (made in 1967) and later ones were 1001, 1500 and 1700. Some numbers are sexier than others.

Slytherin are now the favourites to win, which, given how important the Seeker is, implies that Draco’s actually quite good when not facing somebody on an unbeatable broom.

Is the Firebolt made of elder wood? By Death himself?

Date: 2011-09-17 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
So Rookwood’s terrified of Voldemort’s vengeance, even though he hasn’t done anything wrong.

Well, think back to Karkaroff's hearing. Igor got in serious trouble for handing over too many of Tom's supporters, but the only useful name he provided was Rookwood's. It was Rookwood who gave up the entire spying network. Maybe he believed himself in trouble for that and was trying to make up.

He sounds like one of the people who hears “it’s better to be feared than to be loved”, and then goes around acting like a total jerk, even though the original Prince went on to say that it’s even better to be both feared and loved, and that you should inspire fear in such a way that you don’t also inspire hatred.

And being permanent is better than either. Lord Havelock Vetinari FTW!

Or would any Ministry wizard operating the Trace just assume it was his mum doing it? This would, of course, give an unfair advantage to Pureblood or Halfblood kids, who could just pass off any magic as their parents’

Did you ever think otherwise?

So what spell was Severus using on the flies? No color is described so I seriously doubt he was AKing them. Did he stun the flies? Immobilize them?

Date: 2011-09-18 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aikaterini.livejournal.com
/* Wow, so Hermione’s started lecturing people on being tactless now. Truly the world has been turned upon its head./

Especially since this is the same girl who showed no regard for other people’s pets. Hey, Hermione, has Lavender lectured you about that time that you were incredibly tactless about her dead rabbit? No? Then shut it.

/* Also, whilst Harry’s romancing of Cho isn’t the best, it’s still better than what Hermione “I’m going to treat my crush like dirt then act all offended when he goes out with somebody else” Granger tries./

It’s amazing, she’s so “insightful” and “observant” when it comes to other people’s relationships, but when it comes to her own romance, she’s horrifically clueless and criminally wrongheaded.

/* Plus, of course, if Ginny’s really so good, then why didn’t she show any interest in playing before this book?/

Especially during the Quidditch World Cup, where everyone was excited about it, but she ended up falling asleep by the end of the match.

/We never hear of flying lessons after that one time in PS, and Harry never seems to do any non-Quidditch-related flying. So what do other students do? Do they not have any opportunities to learn or practise flying at all after their first year?/

I’ve wondered about that myself. PS is the last time that we see Madam Hooch as a professor. During the rest of the series, she’s only a coach. If first-years usually aren’t allowed to join the Quidditch teams and flying is only taught in first year, then how do the captains normally select their players? Do they just assume that one year of flying lessons is enough?

/* Apparently they’ll have to kill Zach Smith if he beats them in Quidditch./

And if we heard Draco saying that he and his friends would have to kill Harry if he beat Draco in Quidditch for the umpteenth time, he’d only be proving that he was an evil spoiled brat and a sore loser.

/He sounds like one of the people who hears “it’s better to be feared than to be loved”, and then goes around acting like a total jerk, even though the original Prince went on to say that it’s even better to be both feared and loved, and that you should inspire fear in such a way that you don’t also inspire hatred./

Exactly. So many people think that Machiavelli was basically saying that rulers should do whatever they want, no matter how sick or depraved. No, guys, the main point of "The Prince" was moderation between the two extremes. According to Machiavelli, a ruler shouldn’t be too nice (he can't afford to let people walk all over him), but he shouldn’t be too nasty either (he can't afford to anger people enough that they want to overthrow him). It’s all a balancing act.

/* I like the way Hermione uses Harry’s dream to come up with various theories, then remembers to be all bossy and authoritarian and tells him not to have any more dreams in future./

Like he can just consciously choose when to have dreams. *sighs* Dreams are beyond people’s control, Hermione. If you don’t like it, then you should take it up with Voldemort, not Harry.

Date: 2011-09-19 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
Although now that you mention it -- his lessons just seem to consist of him being told to "clear his mind", but how can he do this while sleeping?

He was explicitly told to practice clearing his mind before going to sleep.

Date: 2011-09-21 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
If whatever control he has on his mind doesn't carry on to the sleep stage then perhaps there was nothing that could have been done to prevent the dreams. Maybe Occlumency was the best anyone could come up with.

duj's theory was that the purpose of the Occlumency lessons was to drive home the fact that Severus was an Order member. Even so it takes Harry too long to remember.

Date: 2011-09-21 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danajsparks.livejournal.com
I think the heart of the matter may be that the mind-link between Harry and Voldemort is basically a plot device that Rowling wanted to use for some parts of the story but not for others. Thus, she made it possible for the connection to be blocked so that she could ignore it if she didn't want to deal with it. If the nature of the connection had been such that it couldn't somehow be closed, then, among other things, she would have had to include episodes of Harry having visions in HBP, meaning that she would have had to write a lot more about Voldemort's activities during Harry's sixth year (which actually might have been a good thing).

So, Rowling needed for it to be possible to block the mind-link. At the same time, however, the plot of OotP demanded that Harry failed at closing the link so that Voldemort could lure him into the DOM through his visions. The problem, though, is that Harry is a Gary Stu, and a Gary Stu never fails at anything when he makes the effort, but neither is it a Gary Stu's fault if something goes wrong. So how could Rowling explain Harry's failure to block the visions? It couldn't be because of weakness or inability, nor could it be because he hadn't tried hard enough. The only solution left was that his failure had to be somebody else's fault.

Thus, Rowling made it Snape's fault that Harry was tricked because Snape had failed to teach him properly. She couldn't have made it Dumbledore's fault because Dumbledore is God.

Date: 2011-09-21 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sweettalkeress.livejournal.com
"Exactly. So many people think that Machiavelli was basically saying that rulers should do whatever they want, no matter how sick or depraved. No, guys, the main point of "The Prince" was moderation between the two extremes. According to Machiavelli, a ruler shouldn’t be too nice (he can't afford to let people walk all over him), but he shouldn’t be too nasty either (he can't afford to anger people enough that they want to overthrow him). It’s all a balancing act."

I believe that one of the examples he used was a ruler who eliminated people he knew to be his opponents early, and then ruled in fairness from then on.

Date: 2011-09-18 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nx74defiant.livejournal.com
Hey, Ginny’s been breaking into the broom shed and using other people’s stuff without their permission! At the age of six, no less! She’s so awesome and sassy and super-feminist!

And why does she need to hide the fact that she is interested in Quiddich? Do the other Weasleys have a problem with a girl playing?

What else has she been sneaking around and doing?

Date: 2011-09-21 01:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charlottehywd.livejournal.com
Also, the whole issue of which broom is better and who’s got the best is a bit hard to work out. I think they implied in PS that the Nimbus 2000 was quite a new make, probably only a couple of years old. It’s then made obsolete by the Nimbus 2001 in COS (which is another thing that’s been bugging me – are we meant to infer that there have actually been a total of 2,001 different makes of Nimbus brooms over the years?), which in turn is made obsolete a year later by the Firebolt. But then there seem to be no advances in broom technology whatsoever for the rest of the series. Just how quickly are new brooms being invented?

What I wonder about this is why, if brooms have improved so much in the past few decades, that they haven't come up with a more comfortable or less conspicuous way of traveling. (I know about the cushioning charms, but still) Perhaps for the same reason nobody has figured out how to make Hogwarts centrally heated?

Date: 2011-09-23 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sweettalkeress.livejournal.com
"Dumbledore hiring Firenze is either a sign of how awesomely tolerant he is, or an attempt to annoy Umbridge by hiring somebody he knows she’ll dislike. Any bets as to which it might be??"

Both?

Date: 2011-10-03 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nx74defiant.livejournal.com
And if some one would be a good teacher doesn't enter into the decision who to hire!

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