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A bit of silliness.

I stumbled across the blog post "The meaning of Expecto Patronum: From Hogwarts to Ancient Rome," which discusses the meaning of "patronus" in ancient Rome, and notes that a patron is more like a (legal) Mafia don bribing officials to protect you from the law than a sparkly representation of your soul protecting you against supernatural evil. Which is an interesting choice for the spell, "unless she really intended for Harry Potter to be calling on The Godfather," as the author says.

Of course, others have noted the similarities of the Roman patronage system to modern wizarding Britain. For example, [livejournal.com profile] pharnabazus's 2004 series Expecto Patronus: or how the wizarding world really works. It holds up pretty well despite being written before book six. Dumbledore as a powerful wizarding patron with many clients, which makes him a political heavyweight other patron-networks in the Ministry might reasonably conclude is a threat to their own influence, seems just as accurate after book seven.

Coincidentally, I've been re-watching series one of the original British House of Cards. If you want patronage networks and backroom backstabbing, here you go! Chief Whip Francis Urquhart is such a nice, grandfatherly fellow who appears above all that petty factionalism and can explain how destroying his rivals' reputations and the occasional straight-up murder is really for the greater good. ("This is a mercy killing.") And he knows absolutely everyone's dirty little secrets and how to manipulate them. How very...familiar. Not that I'm saying Dumbledore would ever spike someone's cocaine with rat poison, oh no. He would never--just ask him! And I'm sure it's a total coincidence how many powerful young witches and wizards who threaten his position or don't obey him completely end up dead or otherwise neutralized. Honest.

Still, it raises a probably-most-irrelevant question: is the position of Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot roughly equivalent to Speaker of the House of Commons or Lord Speaker, as I think most fans have assumed, or is it the equivalent of being Chief Whip? I mean, I'm sure Dumbledore knows as much as he can about Wizengamot members regardless, but it would be amusing if his actual job was to know everything and use it to pressure them into voting the "right" way for his faction.

Dumbledore: a version of Francis Urquhart who decided that controlling people behind the scenes was actually a much better job than being the top boss after all?

Actor Michael Gambon as Albus Dumbledore in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.
By Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Fair use, Link


"You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment."
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I must be on a "lost causes" kick this year...

I accepted for years that Harry’s year must have significantly fewer students than normal, because (a) he was conceived at or at least right before the very height of the war, and (b) we see “over a hundred” students in the Great Hall in Snape’s memory of his DADA OWL, which makes it sound like the Marauders’ year was much bigger.

I’m no longer sure that this is such a solid conclusion, however.Read more... )
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Trying to line up the contradictory statements throughout the series about average magical ability into something coherent is probably a lost cause, but I'll give it a shot anyway.

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I’ve always ignored the first part of the name of Dumbledore’s special group. “Phoenix” is interesting: Dumbledore’s familiar, connected to his interest in immortality, and possibly also connected to the name of Voldemort’s special group. (We see Fawkes “eat” death, or at least a Killing Curse. Maybe there’s some historical lore tying phoenixes to “eating death,” making it seem appropriate for a club hoping to learn a few things about immortality from their master? But we needn’t insist on this.) “Order” just makes it sound fancy. Right?

Maybe there’s more to it, though.Read more... )
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Fred and George’s defense contract is one of those really interesting hinted-at subplots which is never followed up on. Disappointing for many reasons, but right now, let’s look at the timing. This is mostly extraneous and not entirely serious. )
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Occasionally, something on Pottermore actually makes sense and supplements what's in the books rather than breaking all of time and space. Here's one that I think works: Ignatia Wildsmith (1227-1320) invented Floo Powder some time in the 13th century.

What other things happened around this time?

  • The Golden Snidget was used in Quidditch for the first time in 1269 and quickly became an integral part of the game;
  • The first Triwizard Tournament was played around 1294;
  • The Black family allegedly started marrying only other magical people.


Let's say Ignatia invented Floo Powder around 1260 and started marketing it pretty quickly. Within a few years, Quidditch development goes from introducing and refining new elements over the course of a couple of centuries to the latest addition becoming so popular so quickly that the Snidget is an endangered species within decades. After about 35 years, they organize a major international sports tournament with wizards on the Continent and probably Scandinavia.

This is about what you'd expect if travel suddenly became easier and faster. Anyone--not just those who can Apparate, but sick people, children, magically weak people, groups of people too large to side-along all at once, etc.--can suddenly instantly transport themselves at least anywhere in Britain. (We don't know the limits of Floo travel, but the kids Floo from either London or Ottery-St.-Catchpole, I can't remember which, to Hogwarts at one point. So it's at least that far.) And suddenly, they can chat with each other in real time instead of having to wait for an owl to arrive with a letter. We know how much cars, airplanes, and telephones have changed our own societies; imagine if we had (smoky, awkward versions of) FaceTime and Star Trek transporters seven hundred years ago.

This also makes a plausible turning point toward wizards separating from Muggle society. They went to magic school before, and had a national (or possibly international, depending on how much of the British Isles the Wizards' Council covered) magical advisory council. But they still lived in Muggle communities for the most part, and were limited in how much they could visit and communicate with other magical people once they'd graduated. So they had lots of reasons to integrate into Muggle society, marry Muggles, etc., even if they did also have their far-flung alumni/hobby community with a few traditions of its own. But once it became easy even for (temporary or permanent) non-Apparaters to visit their children even if they'd married people hundreds of miles away, well, that opens up some possibilities. Now marrying your school sweetheart doesn't mean losing your family support system--Mum can still help watch the baby even if she lives in Devon and you live in Yorkshire. A family of wizarding apothecaries can make a marriage alliance with another such family instead of whoever is available locally. And if you didn't meet someone at school, now you have more opportunities to meet someone at one of those increasingly well-attended sports games instead.

I doubt that the Blacks really have no Muggle or Muggle-born marriage partners going that far back, but I can believe that they started strongly preferring magical spouses and seeing themselves as set apart from their Muggle neighbors around that time.

And after a couple of centuries of the magical community growing increasingly defined and separate, you get witch hunts...

It probably isn't perfect, but this bit of backstory works well enough that I wonder if it happened by accident, or if someone other than Rowling made up the date.
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I've been trying to figure out how the wizarding legislative/judicial branch works, with little luck. In a way, this is actually realistic; anyone who's ever tried to sort through how the various commissions and committees and departments and offices and programs etc. of a large government are related has probably had similar moments of bafflement. But I'd still like a semi-coherent picture of the government of wizarding Britain.

We know that the Wizengamot passes laws, so they're sometimes a parliament (apparently unicameral). But they also apparently act as the highest court. Being tried by "the full Wizengamot" is a big deal.

So far, so good. But here the neat Wizarding Branches of Government for Kids version breaks down.Read more... )
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I'm trying to piece together some muddled thoughts about wizarding population and society. This comes in two parts: concerning the population of wizarding Britain and Hogwarts, and concerning whether we can find wiggle room for non-Hogwarts educational options.

Fair warning: I'm probably better at math than Rowling, but that is a low bar. (At least one and probably all of her population estimates are probably wrong.) Corrections and better ideas welcome!

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I know that there are some excellent snarky Cursed Child sporking, reviews and reactions already. And I fully plan to read them and comment on them. But I wanted to wait until I read the blasted Cursed Child thing.

However I won't be finishing this book. As much as I hate leaving books half read; this is just too much for me. And for my blood pressure.
Still, I would like to rant discuss the part that made me see red and give up on this mess.

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[identity profile] sweettalkeress.livejournal.com
I just saw this video and I think it touches on a lot of the same things covered in this comm.

[identity profile] spongebending.livejournal.com
I don't know if anyone on here heard about it, but Rowling is writing a new series of sorts called the History of Magic in America.

Not only does she seem to have done barely any research at all on American history (if there are any Americans on here, check it out and have a laugh!), but she also seems to have caused a bit of controversy as many Native Americans have found her portrayal of them to be backwards and offensive.

Can't say I'm surprised, I've always felt that in Potter fans could reread the books without their nostalgia goggles on they'd find the series has a lot of unfortunate implications and overall nastiness. Without the protective shield of nostalgia, it seems that people are starting to see the many of the faults of Rowling's writing that this community has been pointing out for years.
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I have a few things floating around in my head, none of which really warrants its own post....

Swythyv
Is anyone in touch with her? If so, could you please let her know that we're thinking of her? I know she's had some ups and downs with her health, so I hope she's ok. I'm missing her essays. Most of her older ones are still available on hp-essays, but the newer ones were on her own LJ, and it looks like she's taken them down or made them private.

Pottermore
For several reasons, I generally dislike the new content on Pottermore, but there are enough nuggets of useful information here and there that I'm reluctant to completely disregard the site. I've decided to deal with this by treating many of the notes as though they were written by in-universe characters, rather than as "Word of God."  For instance, in Lupin's biography, I can pretend that the syrupy story about Remus and Tonks  — which basically shoots down any theories about Remus being queer ("He had never fallen in love before.") — was written posthumously by an oblivious Molly Weasley who never realized that Remus had previously dated men. In fact, Molly Weasley works as the author for much of the content. We even have a long entry on Celestina Warbeck.

Wizarding World Geography
What territories are under the jurisdiction of Wizarding Britain? Certainly England, Scotland and Wales. Almost certainly Jersey, Guernsey, and the Isle of Man. Probably all of Ireland, though that isn't entirely clear. But what about the 14 British Overseas Territories that are still under the jurisdiction and sovereignty of the United Kingdom, such as Bermuda and the Cayman Islands? Or what of other countries and territories that were formerly part of the British Empire? Did any magical populations choose to remain part of Wizarding Britian, even if their Muggle counterparts became independent countries? I could see a small country like Barbados going that route. Did wizarding British governance expand along with the British Empire, or did it only include colonies established before the Statute of Secrecy?  Could Wizarding Britain have territories in places that were never part of the Muggle British Empire? These questions are mostly rhetorical. I've just been pondering what actually constitutes Wizarding Britain.
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In hir essay "Inconveivable," condwiramurs discusses the implications of magical-muggle marriages when Secrecy is at the very foundation of the wizarding world. Condwiramurs writes, "As the direct, MAGICAL offspring of a mixed witch-muggle marriage, Severus Snape was practically a walking violation of the Statute of Secrecy itself. Standing inherently and unchangeably right astride the most fundamental line in the wizarding world."

In response, I decided to do an analysis of known literal half-bloods. Unless stated otherwise, all of my information comes from Pottermore. Most of the notes from Pottermore can be found on tumblr; just google "[character name] pottermore tumblr" I realize that there are varying opinions on the canonicity of sources beyond the published books, so that will make this post more or less relevant to the discussion.

Wizards/Witches with a Muggle parent include:

--Celestina Warbeck
--Tom Marvolo Riddle
--Minerva McGonagall
--Dolores Umbridge
--Sybill Trelawney
--Severus Snape
--Remus Lupin
--Gilderoy Lockhart
--Seamus Finnigan
--Dean Thomas

ETA 1: I've added more discussion about Minerva McGonagall.

ETA 2: Hwyla speculated that House affiliation might affect how half-bloods fare, so I've added that information. Celestina, Minerva, Remus, Seamus, and Dean are Gryffindors; Tom, Delores, and Severus are Slytherins; and Sybill and Gilderoy are Ravenclaws.
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I started replying to a comment posted to "I Would Sell Out the Nation," but it developed into a rather long post thinking my way through some things. And talking more about Snape, of course. I’m just thinking out loud here though.

In particular, thinking through how a number of canonical incidents and patterns might have looked from the inside, once we make the realization that – since valuing ‘purity’ of wizarding ancestry is a concept that really only makes sense as arising from and existing within a formally Secret and so strictly isolated wizarding world – when the issue of blood status is on the table, it’s virtually always at one level a coded way of talking about the ever-present but culturally traumatically-frightening threat of historical violent muggle-on-wizard persecution. And is not necessarily the only form of such coded talk. It has developed, over three centuries, a life of its own and has picked up and integrated itself with a lot of other cultural and psychological stuff, like any bigotry, but the root of it and the most unnameable but central aspect of it is the specter of the reverse of wizarding supremacy: muggle domination or eliminationist violence.

A threat that the ongoing, legally-required and violently-maintained muggle ignorance of magic both looks back to historically, and implicitly promises to allow – indeed to spark – again if it is ever discovered.

Not that most adult witches and wizards even want to THINK about that, thank you very much. Secrecy is the most unquestioned need and principle, and its collary – wizarding ignorance of the muggle world – practically a point of pride; but beyond the political and social acceptability and indeed near-indispensibility of expressing at least minimally-coded anti-muggle sentiment, wizards just don’t want to think about it. Keep muggles in their place by whatever means necessary, and then leave it and them alone. Don’t remind anyone of the muggles. Think about wizarding things. Proper things. Safe things.

Show proper wizarding pride.

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[identity profile] condwiramurs.livejournal.com
More thoughts on the ICW, Secrecy, wizarding isolationism, and the rise of the Death Eaters. This was sparked by a long reply to sweetalkeress' comment on I Would Sell Out the Nation, which will be posted separately soon.

This is somewhat half-formed thinking, working as I go and edited a bit. Influenced mainly by swythyv, jodel, and terri. I steal shamelessly from the masters; forgive me.

There’s a little bit of Snape stuff at the end, but mostly this is historical musings and speculation. I used mostly Wikipedia and the HP-Lexicon, especially its master timeline, as references.

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[identity profile] sweettalkeress.livejournal.com
[For the attempted break-in of Gringotts, they decide Hermione will be Polyjuiced to look like Bellatrix]

Hermione: I really hate that I have to go as the woman who tortured me.

Harry: Well, look on the bright side—it’s only for one chapter.

Hermione: I can already tell it’s going to be a long chapter.

Read Chapter 26 )
[identity profile] sweettalkeress.livejournal.com
[They crash-land in a field somewhere]

Ron: I can’t believe that man! To sell Harry to the Death Eaters! Disgusting coward! I can’t believe someone as noble as Luna is related to him!

Read Chapter 22 )
[identity profile] sweettalkeress.livejournal.com
Lovegood: So, as I was saying, before I was so rudely interrupted, the Deathly Hallows are an old legend that not everyone believes is true—but I’m one of those people who does believe it.

Read Chapter 21 )

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