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HBP Chapter Nine
*This is the trouble with characters who live together. You have to come up with artificial breaks in conversation. Why would Harry keep quiet about Malfoy’s boasts until before breakfast the next morning? Was there some more important piece of gossip to discuss? Did Ginny go on a date?
*ETA: The award for this I think goes to DH where you've got people stuck in a tiny cottage who can't manage to connect for days or weeks to talk.
* Ron’s the most skeptical about Malfoy’s plot. Usually it’s Hermione who dismisses Malfoy the most, but if Hermione and Ron are both going to be wrong, Ron will at least be more wrong than Hermione.
*Ron snaps at a first year and laughs when it scares him. OMG abusing his Prefect’s powers!
*Hermione confiscates a fanged Frisbee from a fourth year. Amazingly, the fourth year does not tell her to "Step off, bitch!"
* Right out of the gate the narrator makes it clear how shallow and Not True the Ron/Lavender love is. See how Ron’s looking pleased with himself? You never want to be with a girl who makes you feel that way! (Which is not to be confused with having a girlfriend who points out your righteousness to others and hexes them when they don’t kneel quickly enough at your feet.)
*Nobody in their year wants to continue CoMC. This has nothing to do with Hagrid’s teaching being bad. It’s just the subject that sucks. What kind of person would find taking care of animals like dragons at all interesting? I spent two years at zoo camp as a kid myself and the whole time we were petting the mountain lion cubs and riding elephants and camels I was thinking damn, why couldn’t I have gone to Arithmancy camp?
*Hermione shoots through her scheduling with McGonagall while Neville sticks around so that the fact his grades are not as good as Hermione’s, Ron’s or Harry’s can register on his round face. This in no way suggests fat thicko. What books are you reading?
*ETA: I'm assuming Neville's grades were always a sign of lack of confidence and not stupidity, so they all retroactively got better once he got more confident.
*McGonagall announces Neville’s Gran should start appreciating the grandson she’s got instead of the one she wishes she had, particularly since he had the sense to hurl himself into battle with Harry at the Ministry last year. Many people consider this a kick ass McGonagall moment. Me, I’d be totally humiliated by having my teacher announce that the fact my grandmother doesn’t like me is common knowledge.
*ETA: Does anybody write future!Neville fic that says that he actually gets off on being humiliated? Like, imagines his future wife (and proof of coolness--I believe they live over a pub) being just like his gran?
*McGonagall then reveals that Neville’s grandmother’s dislike of Charms is, of course, merely covering up her own inadequacy in the subject. Yes, every brief exchange reveals more and more dysfunction in the Longbottom family. All that’s really left is for Neville to reveal that Gran caught him touching himself once and transfigured his willy into peppermint candy.
*Parvati gets a cameo to remind us she’s a boy-crazy airhead who’s dropped her favorite female teacher in favor of a sexy professor whose genitals she’s actually seen in class. Why hasn’t anyone written fic where Parvati has an affair with Firenze? Dogs and wolves aren’t the only flavor of bestiality you know!
*ETA: Thank you, Maya, for writing awesome Firenze/Lavender in "Drop Dead Gorgeous."
*Ron is quickly cleared for the same subjects as Harry, without the fanfare and compliments. Ron then also displays more excitement over the same timetable. One day scientists will isolate the sidekick gene so everyone can have their own Ron Weasley.
*So Harry walks around wearing a captain’s badge 24/7? And I’m not supposed to laugh?
*Apparently you’re supposed to try out for Quidditch every year because teams are ruined by people playing the same players or their friends. Of course we already know that because of the way Harry’s had fresh tryouts every year. Or not. ETA: I guess since he didn't have to try out the first time he doesn't try out every year after that.
*Meanwhile someone hits the reset button on Ron, who ended last season carried out on the shoulders of his teammates, and is now right back where he started, in danger of being cut so that Harry can struggle with Captainly Responsibility. Way to take one for the team, Ron. Again.
*Funny how Malfoy’s still coasting on those brooms from when he was 12 isn’t it? Funny or, you know, proof he didn’t bribe his way onto the team to begin with.
*Is the fact that Hermione looks “put upon” by loads of homework a clue that she’s going to be focusing more on boys this year?
*One would think from the narration that the kids don’t like Snape’s DADA classroom but it sounds like Goth heaven! Go Snape!
*ETA: Not that he intended it to be cool or Goth. He's doing it for Lily, dammit, and Lily didn't like Goth!
*Snape finally gets to perform his Introduction to DADA speech. Not since Susan Lucci finally won her Daytime Emmy has a person looked forward to a speech more. ETA: Now that he's given it, he can die.
*Yeah, you *believe* we’ve had five DADA teachers as if you haven’t watched them all come and go, Snape, hoping you’d be next, thinks Harry scathingly.
*Well, not so much “scathingly” as “obviously.”
*Or maybe “expositionally.”
*Or maybe trying to be scathing but you’ve just got nothing. Just shut up and take class, Harry.
*Snape begins class. Harry is off and judging.
*I’m going to assume everyone in the class has just learned over the years to let Hermione answer everything, because I can’t believe nobody can think of an advantage to a non-verbal spell without looking it up.
*Harry gets a pass, of course, because if he answered he’d have to say, "So you can call for help when Malfoy’s petrified you?"
*Malfoy, at this point in the year, is apparently still his old Snape fanboy self. I wonder if he later resents Snape at all for being one of his DE role models. ETA: Why would Draco ever reconsider his role models?
*So not all wizards can do non-verbal spells. Yes! Another chance for Harry to make the cut. He’s got "mind power," whatever the hell that is. It sounds like it popped in from a 50s sci-fi movie. Wizards really don’t do mind-power.
*ETA: It's hard to keep track of what spells are supposed to set you a cut above other wizards since they always wind up seeming obvious.
*We’re reminded Harry’s taught half the class how to do Protego. This seems to have no bearing whatsoever on what’s going on, except to tell us that Harry’s totally as cool as Snape. Maybe he should be teaching!
*Harry’s not the first person to do a non-verbal spell in class, despite his prodigy-like DADA skillz, probably because he’s too busy judging Snape. Why does Hermione not get 20 points for doing the exercise? Why, you bastard?!
*Harry tells Snape there’s no need to call him Sir, the funniest, most awesomest, wittiest joke anyone has ever said to a teacher. And Harry totally just made it up. Pay no attention to the dozens of movies and TV shows and kids in junior high that have used this joke before. Off now, and makest thou icons of the jest!
*Btw, Snape was amazingly normal in this scene. I wonder if there’s a reason.
*ETA: The reason is Lily.
*Harry begins to pronounce judgment on Snape (He tried to jinx him, for god sakes. In a jinxing class! What’s he playing at?!!). Hermione disarms him with flattery. Once again I wonder how Hermione gets an E in DADA when she just not only proved that in this class, as in all others, she does everything right and everything first, but showed "bravery and quick thinking" in knowing how to disarm Harry in full snit.
*Dumbledore gives Harry a letter with the p.s. "I enjoy Acid Pops." I’m about to make some comment on the consistently pathetic idea of code in the WW, when poor Ron is roped into moron duty and loudly doesn’t get it.
*Ron suggests Harry will be learning spectacular hexes and jinxes that DEs don’t know. Hermione says those things are illegal. Silly Hermione, if Dumbledore was teaching them and Harry was using them how could they be illegal?
*Hermione says he’s more likely learning Defensive Magic, which we know from last year means that he will be teaching Harry spectacular hexes and jinxes that DEs don’t know but are supposed to be defensive.
*ETA: Too bad this idea would actually maybe have made for a more interesting battle.
*Harry and Ron do Snape’s homework, which is really complex. Unlike his class, which basically came down to doing stuff you do every single day, only this time instead of talking you just think the word. Btw, not to brag, but I read that part in the book TOTALLY WITHOUT MOVING MY LIPS!!!
*Harry likes Ernie MacMillan despite his pompous manner. If you’re listening Zach Smith, Harry is perfectly willing to overlook small personality flaws if you show total loyalty and admiration to him.
*Ernie says Snape taught a good class. This does not in any way suggest that Snape is not considered a horrible, unacceptable teacher by the school at large. After all, Ernie is a Hufflepuff and also pompous. What does he know about good classes?
*Before they can talk to Ernie, Slughorn enters the room, preceded by a fat joke.
*Slughorn then begins furiously favoritism-ing. This will be vigorously defended as totally not favoritism. He's just finally recognizing which students deserve better treatment.
*For some reason the seating arrangements are given a slightly judgmental subtext. Although Harry, Ron and Hermione have never once considered sitting apart since they became friends, and certainly have never considered sitting with non-Gryffindors, we’re told the Slytherins and the Ravenclaws segregate themselves leaving the Gryffindors to sit with Ernie. Hey, they tried to unite the houses there, but those awful Ravenclaws and Slytherins are too backward thinking. And they let Ernie sit with them! Because they have a free chair!
*Harry sits next to the Amortentia and smells treacle tart, the wood of a Quidditch broom, and something flowery he might have smelled at the Burrow, probably in the bathroom right after Ginny had urinated.
*Btw, Malfoy=Quidditch brooms. H/D OTP!!
*Harry and Ron are the only ones who need books. Looks like Snape pretty much kicked arse on the OWLS.
*Harry does not resent Hermione getting credit for knowing Polyjuice. After all, she invented Polyjuice back in second year. And also, Harry is a totally great friend who isn't insecure.
*Hermione comes *this close* to telling the class she’s driven to lust by freshly mown grass, new parchment and Ron’s dirty laundry that she rubs all over herself before bed at the burrow.
*ETA: Oh god, how much truer this is post-DH.
*Hermione, easy mark that she is, misses that Slughorn is blatantly sucking up to her to get to Harry. She’d sell out in a second if someone would just tell her where to sign.
*You can see why people shipped H/Hr in this scene. Hermione and Harry are both totally suckered by flattery. Of course that’s why Harry winds up with Ginny, because they are both flattered more.
*Malfoy looks the way he did when Hermione punched him in the face. He was sitting in the third row at the Odeon Theater at the time, and was so surprised at the way the movie changed what happened he dropped his popcorn.
*Ron desperately tries to get himself some page time by being vaguely annoyed at the way Hermione fawns all over Harry for his complimenting her. He is ignored, of course. Too bad Crabbe isn’t there to throw him a sympathetic look.
*Draco and Nott smirk skeptically at the idea of love potions being the most powerful, probably because as Slytherins they basically live as if under the influence of the stuff all the time. If points were given for powerful infatuation and obsession Malfoy alone would have won the House Cup for Slytherin every year.
*Btw, will that other obsessive love-ster be Snape? Stay tuned… ETA: Fear my mad prediction skillz.
*Not that Harry’s been watching Malfoy throughout the class or anything, but the back of his head is quite blond and sleek. It’s the result of his flowery-smelling hair gel.
*Wonder what’s "disastrous" when you get the luck potion wrong.
*If you take too much of it it causes giddiness, recklessness and dangerous overconfidence. No wonder it’s gold and the love potion is mother-of-pearl silvery. Just as Slytherins spend their whole life as if their blood is Amortentia, Felix Felicitas turns you into a Gryffindor.
ETA: Hey, why didn't they just use FF next year when...best not to ask that, isn't it.
*Recently some people have been suggesting Felix Felicitas is just a placebo. Why would anyone want to think this in a world where magic obviously exists and the lack of it really does make you inferior and nothing is all in your mind? Mostly cause if FF doesn’t really work, Harry and his friends are more impressive.
*Just in case you weren’t catching that Harry is a big Slytherin in this book, he spends the entire Potions class judging Slughorn’s performance and approving of the effect it has on the class.
*The luck potion’s been banned in sporting events, making me wonder how they test for it exactly. They don’t seem to know about blood or urine tests. Do they just drop pianos on the person and if they get hit they know they were clean?
*Hermione naturally is doing the best with the Potion. It’s amazing the way she’s supposed to be this super smart person, which should be cool, yet it's like watching someone polish a floor well over and over.
*Malfoy gives the family name a shot in desperate circumstances. Harry thinks that Malfoy, unlike himself, will have to rely on his talent to win the Felix Felicitas. This was the moment in the book when I knew Malfoy really did have a chance in life. Woo hoo! ETA: I take that back...I think.
*I wouldn’t be surprised if Lily’s great talent in Potions wasn’t invented in Slughorn’s head the moment Slughorn saw Harry’s Potion.
*ETA: I am grateful that we never actually saw Lily being talented. That would have been too much on top of all the awesomeness.
*And so begins the weirdest story of cheating ever. Harry totally has an unfair advantage in that everyone else is using the wrong instructions, yet he’s still following instructions, so what’s the problem? Basically the problem is more in the plotline than what Harry is doing.
*ETA: I hope this never causes trouble in Harry's career as an auror!
*What Snape at least proves in this chapter is that one can be a brilliant student in an HP book and not be a bore.
*Ron of course sees Harry as doing the right thing. He took a risk and it paid off, which is the greatest thing a Gryffindor can do. Ron kindly refrains from pointing out that Harry’s last risk didn’t pay off quite so well. Oh well, the Felix Felicitas pretty much makes up for the death of what’s-his-face by curtain.
*Ginny appears, reeking of flowers. Harry decides his super turn-on is cheap eau de gardenia from Woolworths. Mystery solved! Now he knows who he’s attracted too—and it’s totally a girl! Go Harry!
*ETA: Seriously, go Harry. He was running out of time to find love. He's been 16 for months now!
*Ginny and Hermione really are kind of idiots here. The notes gave Harry a better way to get juice out of a bean, for chrissakes. They didn’t tell him to shoot the president.
*Harry drops the book and sees a name written on the inside cover. Most kids, of course, when handed a used textbook immediately check for a name to see if they know the person who owed it, but Harry’s total disinterest in students other than himself spans generations.
*Anyway, Harry’s book announces, "This book belongs to a total geek who gave himself a painfully stupid superhero nickname."
Designated Hero
Thrill as Harry cheats, judges and smugs his way through another amazing chapter!
IITS
So if all the Potions textbooks in the past were wrong, why don’t they change them? And how has anyone made the Potions before? IITS!
Also, wasn’t Ron the team hero last we saw? IITS!
Informed Attributes
Wow! Hermione sure does earn those points, doesn’t she? By answering questions that sound…really really basic. She’s got mind power!
Ken and Andrew’s Rule of Plot Holes
See IITS.
Misdirected Answering
I’m sure there are people who don’t give a damn what classes Neville Longbottom is taking. As it happens I’m not one of them, but I’m giving the point anyway.
Final score: 5.5
H/D scores:
The one where Malfoy is cocky about love potions even while being totally susceptible to them.
The one where Harry associates love with something having to do with Quidditch and therefore Malfoy.
The one where Harry watches the back of Malfoy's head in a small class the two of them get into together.
The one where Malfoy's family influence loses power.
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*ETA: I hope this never causes trouble in Harry's career as an auror!
Of course not. You see, what happened is that Snape left everything in his will to "Lily's son." So, Harry inherited Snape's D.A.D.A. schoolbook, which totally had such incredibly detailed (and funny) instructions scrawled in the margins that Harry had only to follow them to shoot to the top of the Auror Department in a few years, despite having no N.E.W.T.s or special training courses.
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Only Harry deserves a girlfriend like that. Ron's purpose is to be worse than Harry at absolutely everything, so his "reward" has to be worse, by comparison, too. He gets the self-insert that JKR occasionally makes fun of, the one who's nagging and obnoxious. Harry gets the pure wish-fullfillment.
I'm assuming Neville's grades were always a sign of lack of confidence and not stupidity, so they all retroactively got better once he got more confident.
Psah, grades! There are more important things, like bravery and friendship! Even Hermione knows that!
ETA: Does anybody write future!Neville fic that says that he actually gets off on being humiliated? Like, imagines his future wife (and proof of coolness--I believe they live over a pub) being just like his gran?
I knew there was a reason I liked Neville/Ginny! Actually, Neville/Hermione might work even better.
One day scientists will isolate the sidekick gene so everyone can have their own Ron Weasley.
LOL, they might as well name it "the Ron Weasley gene", because I don't think I've ever read or watched a sidekickier sidekick.
Apparently you’re supposed to try out for Quidditch every year because teams are ruined by people playing the same players or their friends. Of course we already know that because of the way Harry’s had fresh tryouts every year. Or not. ETA: I guess since he didn't have to try out the first time he doesn't try out every year after that.
Does that mean everyone else has tried out every year, though, and Harry has just been too self-absorbed to notice? Somehow this wouldn't surprise me one bit.
ETA: Why would Draco ever reconsider his role models?
So that his new one could be Harry Potter? Thank God that didn't happen!
He’s got "mind power," whatever the hell that is.
It's probably his great ability to luuuurrrrrve.
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And he gets his heterosexual marriage at least. Phew! Because Ron doesn't have some other interest that would make him uninterested in women, like dragons or rebellion.
Neville/Hermione could get really kinky really fast.
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I doubt it. In the end he becomes a Herbology professor, a subject he was always good at. Only in Russian translation he was promoted to a Potions master. Poor Snape would turn over in the grave, if he knew. :)
ETA: Does anybody write future!Neville fic that says that he actually gets off on being humiliated? Like, imagines his future wife (and proof of coolness--I believe they live over a pub) being just like his gran?
I wouldn't be surprised to see Neville imagining his future wife like this, not because getting off on being humiliated, but due to being unable to imagine anybody treating him differently. Grandma's approach seems to be shared by all other relatives and classmates (Hermione), when he's paid any attention at all.
*So Harry walks around wearing a captain’s badge 24/7? And I’m not supposed to laugh?
May be he's supposed to constantly wear it, like Prefects have to wear their badges.
*Apparently you’re supposed to try out for Quidditch every year because teams are ruined by people playing the same players or their friends.
For a moment I thought it was the new policy, especially passed to prevent Harry from bluntly favoritism-ing.
*ETA: Not that he intended it to be cool or Goth. He's doing it for Lily, dammit, and Lily didn't like Goth!
Imo she would approve of a cool, deliberately over the top Goth. A unique sort of Goth, which would resemble usual ones in the same way as deathtocapslock resembles H\G Forever! fan sites.
*Harry tells Snape there’s no need to call him Sir…Off now, and makest thou icons of the jest!
May be JKR tried here to show Harry as a usual teenager with unfunny "jokes" to emphasize how not special our hero is?
Btw, not to brag, but I read that part in the book TOTALLY WITHOUT MOVING MY LIPS!!!
I don't understand. Do you usually move your lips while reading? Or is it an expression?
*Btw, Malfoy=Quidditch brooms. H/D OTP!!
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The one where Harry associates love with something having to do with Quidditch and therefore Malfoy.
NO!!! I can't believe you've forgotten Ginny, the goddess of Quidditch. Especially when she replaced Harry as Gryffindor's Seeker in OoTF and caught the Snitch in 2 important games. *just checked that in wiki*
But don't worry; she will make another Quidditch appearance soon to prevent people like you from getting wrong ideas.
*Malfoy looks the way he did when Hermione punched him in the face. He was sitting in the third row at the Odeon Theater at the time, and was so surprised at the way the movie changed what happened he dropped his popcorn.
LOL! He should be happy they didn't add a kick under the belt too.
GinnyLess shy and vulnerable girl wouldn't stop at a mere punch.If points were given for powerful infatuation and obsession Malfoy alone would have won the House Cup for Slytherin every year.
Not in HBP, it you meant his obsession with Harry.
*Wonder what’s "disastrous" when you get the luck potion wrong.
It causes giddiness, recklessness and dangerous overconfidence without giving you any luck, making extremely unlikely to live to the end of the day.
*Just in case you weren’t catching that Harry is a big Slytherin in this book, he spends the entire Potions class judging Slughorn’s performance and approving of the effect it has on the class.
He has to study his test subject before striking later in the book, after all.
*Anyway, Harry’s book announces, "This book belongs to a total geek who gave himself a painfully stupid superhero nickname."
A total geek with self-hate (for a Slytherin to call himself HB) and an attempt at irony. I didn't get at once the nick could have 2 meanings – being half Prince (his mother's side of the family) OR being a Prince who is half-blood (only half-wizard).
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I don't understand. Do you usually move your lips while reading? Or is it an expression?
Nah, I was just comparing doing wordless spells to reading without speaking the words out loud or moving your lips.
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He also signs his name "Harry J. Potter, QC", for "Quidditch Captain". And made business cards. And added an ermine hem to his robes.
It causes giddiness, recklessness and dangerous overconfidence without giving you any luck, making extremely unlikely to live to the end of the day.
Gryffindor Juice!
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Ron bullies his charges and Hermione, for all her intelligence, is harsh and inflexible. Is this to indicate that Harry would be far better than either of them in a position of responsibility? That he’s just a nicer person? If it is, I’m *so* not convinced. Give it up JKR.
I like Pavarti and Lavender. I’d always imagine that once they grew up and dropped some of the fluffiness, they’d be quite fun, and popular. Unlike Ginny with her artificially constructed, and unfeasible popularity, and Hermione with, er, her books. Anyway, forget Pavarti, apparently there are Dumbles/Firenze stories! I don’t read slash, so bestiality is beyond me, but if anyone here wants to investigate….
No, not Professor McGonagall! Please don’t ruin her! Sadly Book 7 proved that JKR really wasn’t listening. Gallant my arse.
No, not Professor Snape! Please don’t ruin him! Actually he was misleadingly good in this Book. Then in Book 7 JKR made her final attempt to stop her pesky readers from liking such a bad person, by forgetting to include him in most of the book. Then - Lily. Jeez.
Poor Ron, forced to forget how well he did at Quidditch by the end of last year, and how he rose to the occasion. Forced to forget his endless arguments with Hermione driven by his dislike of Krum. Forced to forget that Harry’s been positively besotted with Cho, until she became a human hose pipe, wailing just because her boyfriend was murdered in cold blood. Forced to still think that Harry and Hermione like each other. Forced to develop not one iota, despite some pretty large lessons in the recent past. Actually, sod Ron. Poor us, forced to read it all. Again. Yawn.
Harry cheated, but it annoyed Hermione. Difficult choice. If Hermione didn’t know, but became a little more modest because she was being surpassed, that’d have been ok. I really want to like Hermione again, like I did in the first three books, before Dairy Poo struck. But she did know about the book, and became so tiresome with her understandable, but really unattractive, jealous whinging. God this book had some rubbish. I quite enjoyed it the first time round, but Book 7 warped my Potter-Love chip and now the flaws are obvious.
I wish Harry tripped over a desk in this chapter and died. Ron and Hermione could get together with a minimum of palaver (and *stay* together). Hermione would stop being such a bitter shrew, as she wouldn’t have to do all of Harry’s thinking, with none of the glory. Ron, freed from his obligation of making Harry look good, and ’moron duty’, (hee), could actually learn from the lessons of the last two years. The endless Lavender/Ginny/McClaggen could be dropped, and the book would be about 150 pages shorter. Finally, like McMillan and Wife, they could deal with everything, while Ginny struggles with her long term, disfiguring case of Spattergroit. No? Damn.
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Hermione's stuck in a strange position in this book because really I'd imagine she'd want to use the Prince's notes--she'd imo as a swot want everyone to share them rather than refuse to use them since they obviously work. It's also just weird that she goes back into "Everything must be Ministry approved" mode since...doesn't she know the Ministry is ridiculous? What exactly does she have to worry about with this book? And why not ask the teacher about it if she does?
I guess it's just back to that question of Hermione being a teacher's pet without being all that intellectually interesting. There's times where she's certainly curious, but more about facts that she can rattle off and know about. She's not at all tempted by other knowledge.
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Also, wasn't she criticizing the Ministry approved DADA curriculum last year, and not really showing any signs of feeling any conflict about it?
There's times where she's certainly curious, but more about facts that she can rattle off and know about.
In other words, JKR's using her as an exposition machine, which is the main thing that she seems to think intellectualism is good for in this series.
Intellectual Curiosity
So, apparently she agrees that Hermione doesn't have intellectual curiosity. But I'm still sputtering over her announcement that Ginny and Harry do have it.
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Um, yeah. My jaw's on that floor too. Basically it seems like what she really means is that hearing voices behind the veil makes you kind of spiritually special. Harry's the Chosen One, he's got the spirituality so Ginny does too. I mean, it's kind of funny that here she still misses what "intellectually curious" means by tying it to belief. She's saying that Hermione can't hear the voices because she's very rational and that what you need to hear the voices is *faith* which has nothing to do with being intellectually curious. It's that common, annoying, idea that scientists are closed-minded for letting evidence disprove cool ideas--and that this means that they can't believe in God or be spiritual at all.
All this is of course even more hilarious when you consider that it's *Hermione* who's got this problem. Yes, Hermione, the Muggleborn. The one who, at age 11, found out that all rational thought was groundless because everything you shouldn't be able to do you can do because of magic. So somehow Hermione manages to shift totally easily into a world where pointing a stick and saying a word makes things happen, where all manner of impossible creatures exist, where pictures talk and all the laws of physics are replaced by the funderful, every-changing laws of magic...all while being so impossible rigid she has to back away and pretend she didn't hear voices in a magic room. Even though she's taking a far greater leap of faith than somebody like Ginny every time she gets up in the morning as a Witch.
Um...what?
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What got me was this:
But when they surround that veil [in Order of the Phoenix], I was trying to show that depending on their degree of skepticism or belief about what lay beyond - because Luna, of course, is a very skeptical character. Luna believes firmly in an afterlife.
I'm not sure she meant "skepticism" here. Luna is skeptical about not hearing voices? Or about the veil? Or what? Luna strikes me as the least skeptical character in the Potterverse...
...unless this is a new iteration of the Ancestor/Descendant mix-up one sometimes sees, "Ancestor" (relatives who have gone before) wrongly filling in where "Descendant" (sons, daughters, grandchildren, etc.) would be correct.
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(Anonymous) 2008-09-30 01:42 pm (UTC)(link)Are these, once again, the people who say Rowling improved as a writer?
And do they by any chance have any opinions on such concepts as "war", "peace", "freedom", "slavery", "ignorance" or "strength"?
- Dan Hemmens
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I remember in a fan-fic, Luna asking her whether she believed in Witches before she came one. Nailed it. Narrow minded, unable to think outside the box (usually - that changed if the plot demanded it). She was unable to accept anything unless it was written down in an official text-book, told to her by a teacher (Dumbledore fodder!)then she'd learn it off by heart and parrot it. She'd run a mile rather than have to rethink her attitude. Even after getting Umbridge attacked, or Marietta permanently scarred. I used to love her, and she ended up in my top 3 most despised characters. Way to spoil an excellent example to young girls JKR.
I must heartily concur with the splutters of indignation about the place at the thought of Harry having intellectual curiosity. He didn't actually have ANY curiosity. He sat about like a retarded amoeba, waiting for Hermione to plan his work, Ron to give him a family life, Snape to rouse him to righteous anger and Dumbledore to tell to go and die.
He was one of the worst 'heros' in children's literature. He wasn't even an anti-hero, making mistakes but being redeemed. He wasn't even a b*stard, but damned attractive with it. He was a petulant useless pile of sh*te. He only heard the voices, because JKR thought it'd prove him to be 'special' (He was, but not in a good way). Despite the fact that she was already well into the process of destroying the quite worthy character of the first few books.
As for Ginny - well don't get me started on her. Just DON'T get me STARTED.
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That's the thing, though. Like so many other characters, Hermione isn't quite "real" by the end of the series because she's been yanked around so many times according to plot demand. Or according to the demands of whatever point JKR is trying to make at the time.
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No, no, no. You see, it wasn't intentional on Harry's part. He just put it on when it arrived in the post and hasn't changed his clothes since. He's got a whole month before it's time for his semi-annual bath.
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(Anonymous) 2008-09-27 09:19 am (UTC)(link)I totally missed that.
Does this mean that Rowling, like me, doesn't consider her books worth rereading?
- Dan Hemmens
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(Anonymous) 2008-09-29 12:57 pm (UTC)(link)Not as much as "she's a crazy hack" but a lot.
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It might have been preferable to the career JKR did choose for him. As long as he didn't personally duel any students, anyway.
*Harry sits next to the Amortentia and smells treacle tart, the wood of a Quidditch broom, and something flowery he might have smelled at the Burrow, probably in the bathroom right after Ginny had urinated.
The "flowery" scent irks me. In the first place, "flowery" is not really a positive word; it's generally used for something fussy and over-elaborate. Why not call it a tantalizingly familiar floral scent, or something like that? In the second place, anything as girly as smelling of flowers just doesn't fit new!Ginny. I think JKR is trying to push new!Ginny as the perfect balance between tomboyishness and girliness, but the traits don't meld into an actual being; they're just disconnected and contradictory.
*Recently some people have been suggesting Felix Felicitas is just a placebo.
I haven't heard that theory. The book really seems to ask us to believe in FF. However, it would be extremely amusing if later on Harry gives Ron a placebo of a placebo! Might even make me not loathe that scene on at least one level.
*I wouldn’t be surprised if Lily’s great talent in Potions wasn’t invented in Slughorn’s head the moment Slughorn saw Harry’s Potion.
Or possibly the moment Slughorn saw Lily's dancing red hair; for all his fondness for surrounding himself with young men, he does also seem to have a thing for red-haired women. (It's the best explanation I can come up with for why he lets Ginny into his elite club on such a stupid pretext.) Either way, though, I tend to think Lily's amazingness at potions is being very much exaggerated by Slughorn. In fact, I remember thinking when I first read the book how irritating it must have been for Snape, as a student, to be a real potions genius and have to watch Slughorn falling all over Lily instead. Imagine how ill I felt when I then went on to read theories that Snape learned everything he knew about potions from Lily's tutoring!
*And so begins the weirdest story of cheating ever. Harry totally has an unfair advantage in that everyone else is using the wrong instructions, yet he’s still following instructions, so what’s the problem? Basically the problem is more in the plotline than what Harry is doing.
What I want to know is why Slughorn didn't instantly recognize Snape's signature potion techniques, if he was Snape's teacher. Then again, maybe the scenario I outlined above would explain it: Slughorn paid no attention to Snape, despite his being a genius, because he wasn't hot or well-connected.
I also want to know why Snape hasn't replaced the old textbook with one written by himself, if he can make the same potions so much better.
*Ginny and Hermione really are kind of idiots here. The notes gave Harry a better way to get juice out of a bean, for chrissakes. They didn’t tell him to shoot the president.
I must say that Ginny being upset over Harry using the book is the one and only moment in HBP when I find her even remotely human and even managing to approach sympathetic.
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(Anonymous) 2008-09-28 12:09 am (UTC)(link)One theory is that he simply puts his own instructions on the boards when teaching, and only assigned textbooks that deal with potion ingredients and principles, rather than ones that teach specific potions. (If you look at the books Harry gets for Snape's class, they are generally titled something like 1001 magical herbs and flowers. Something like that.
There's a couple reasons Snape might not bother to re-write the textbook. One is (see above) he simply teaches using his own instructions. Also, since the only people who would buy the textbook are already taking his class, why bother to publish a new one?
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It occurs to me that it might have been an interesting extra clue if Slughorn had gone back to an older textbook that he used to teach from instead of using the new one, and Harry (or somebody) had caught sight of some 7th-year's textbook from the previous year (written by Snape), noted that it contained the same notations as the Prince's book, and guessed the Prince's identity from that. And then maybe Hermione could have turned up the newspaper clipping with Eileen Prince, and then they could have investigated a little and found out she was Snape's mother...that strikes me as the sort of thing which might have happened in the early days of the series, and I think I'd have enjoyed reading it. But no, instead Harry just vaguely wonders all year who the Prince is and then Snape announces it out of the blue.
I really hate this book.
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Sound and fury, sound and fury...
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It is hard to imagine, I guess because it makes it sound so much like Ginny's wearing girlie perfume all the time. I mean, it could be shampoo etc. but it still just sounds too girlie for Ginny. As hard as imagining him associating a flowery smell with Hermione.
Imagine how ill I felt when I then went on to read theories that Snape learned everything he knew about potions from Lily's tutoring!
Oh man, I really really hated those theories. Or even worse the ones that claimed the HBP's instructions were completely Lily's, that Hermione's "girl handwriting" theory was actually correct so it was all about Harry having a relationship with his mother rather than young!Snape.
Though in the end it didn't go where one would think it would. Looking back at the Prince's tale Snape's personality doesn't come out the way you thought it would in reading HBP. It seemed like you were seeing that Snape had nice sides of his personality that just darkened over time, but ultimately it's hard for me to imagine Lily liking him at all except to feel sorry for him.
I also want to know why Snape hasn't replaced the old textbook with one written by himself, if he can make the same potions so much better.
This one I don't mind the fanwank for, that Snape's been giving them better instructions on the board all along. Though you'd think Hermione, at least, would have noticed that. That's the problem with making her the exposition machine that she is. This is the type of thing she notices elsewhere.
I must say that Ginny being upset over Harry using the book is the one and only moment in HBP when I find her even remotely human and even managing to approach sympathetic.
I agree. It actually works as a normal human moment that stems from Ginny's actual experiences.
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(Anonymous) 2008-09-29 01:04 pm (UTC)(link)Actually, this one I'm totally okay to chalk up to the fact that Canon!Snape really is an asshole. I'm as big a JKR-basher as they come, but I'm perfectly happy with the idea that Snape is a complete bastard and a bad teacher (I just think *all* the Hogwarts teachers are just as bad as he is). I can totally see him not caring that his students are learning the wrong stuff.
Of course why he didn't use his awesome potions making skills to do something *other* than work at Hogwarts I don't know, but then again since Hogwarts is the Whole World it's not like he had anywhere else to go.
- Dan Hemmens
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It does seem that everyone, even the adults, are wrapped up in the business of the school. Still, I think Snape was guilted into working and staying there: "Poor Lily, you know, her son will come here, and he needs protection after you put him in danger and, oh, by the way, got his parents killed!"
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(2)on an objective test, students who have paid attention and done this (Draco, Hermione)get an outstanding.
He's not a bad teacher. He's not a great one, either; he has the potential to be great but is stymied by his emotional issues and by never having had a good teacher nor learned to teach anything. (He pretty clearly models his lessons on McGonagall's, and has a lot of her strengths and weaknesses as far as classroom management goes.)