deathtocapslock | Possession of the Cloak

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“His passion … was the work he had taken over from Illyan….

No. The work Haroche had taken away from Illyan.

Oh.

… I’m blind, blind, blind! Motive! What’s an elephant got to do around here, to advance and be recognized?” Miles Vorkosigan in Memory, by Lois McMaster Bujold

A word in a prepositional phrase can sometimes make all the difference in the world.

Why was Albus in possession of the Cloak at the time of the Potters’ deaths?

Marionros wrote in answer to my post positing that Albus hadn’t originally suspected Tom of creating Horcruxes because Albus assumed instead that Tom (who’d apparently come into possession of the Resurrection Stone) was hunting Hallows:

This might be the reason why Albus so desperately wanted James (and thusly James' minions) in his Order straight out of school, and why Albus let the Marauders run wild while still at school. James was the descendant of the Peverells and the owner of the Cloak. Heaven forbid that James ever, ever threw in his dice with Tom's lot.

Well. If Albus had had his eye on the Peverall/Potter cloak for years….

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We listened to Albus confirm all Harry’s guesses on the matter at King’s Cross:

“You have guessed, I know, why the Cloak was in my possession on the night your parents died. James had showed it to me just a few days previously…. I could hardly believe what I was seeing. I asked to borrow it, to examine it. I had long since given up my dream of uniting the Hallows, but I could not resist, could not help taking a closer look…. and then your father died, and I had two Hallows at last, all to myself!”

His tone was unbearably bitter.

“The Cloak wouldn’t have helped them survive, though,” Harry said quickly. “Voldemort knew where my mum and dad were. The Cloak couldn’t have made them curse-proof.”

“True,” sighed Dumbledore. “True.”

“…somehow, we never discussed the Cloak much, Harry. Both of us could conceal ourselves well enough [truer words!] without the Cloak, the true magic of which, of course, is that it can be used to protect and shield others as well as its owner.” (DH 35)

So. Moments after agreeing with Harry that the Cloak couldn’t possibly have helped James or Lily, Albus contradicted this to tell Harry that the Cloak’s “true magic” is that it can be used to shield oneself and others simultaneously. I.e., that Lily maybe could have used it to sneak past Tom with Harry in her arms, had she been bold and cool-headed enough.

And had she in fact possessed the Cloak.

Which Dumbledore took before Harry’s birthday, not in late October as he told Harry. And which he kept. For months.

Despite knowing that the Cloak’s rightful owner, and his family, were being hunted. In mortal peril. In need of a way to hide.

Lily’s letter to Sirius, written in early August: “James is getting a bit frustrated shut up here, he tries not to show it but I can tell—also, Dumbledore’s still got his Invisibility Cloak, so no chance of little excursions.” (DH 10)

Still.

Meaning, Sirius had already been told that Dumbledore had taken the Cloak. However, it’s news to be imparted that Peter visited “last weekend” and shared the news about the McKinnons. So as of Harry’s birthday it had been a week, at least (most likely—not likely much less, and quite possibly much more, depending on how often Lily sees or writes Sirius) since Dumbledore had “borrowed” it.

And it’s news to be imparted that Dumbledore still has it.

Meaning, Sirius might reasonably have expected the item to have been returned by now.

That “still,” and the mention of James’s frustration at being denied his little excursions, carries a very faint whiff of implication that maybe James hadn’t expected the loan to go on for quite so long. “May I borrow it for just a few days, to examine it more closely?”

A few days which somehow, inexplicably, dragged out for three months. To the end of James’s life.

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That Cloak, which “can be used to protect and shield others as well as its owner,” was not kept from its rightful owner’s possession despite Albus’s concerns that Lord Voldemort might be catching up to the Potters. Albus kept it because of those concerns.

*

Albus was willing, while he thought there was no immediate chance of wresting the Stone from Tom, to leave the Cloak in the custody of his loyal supporter, knowing full well that he could “borrow” it whenever he chose.

If there was no imminent prospect of uniting all three, having indirect access was quite sufficient.

But Albus couldn’t risk Tom getting hold of the thing when he killed the Potters. Getting two of the three. Needing only to defeat the Deathstick’s master (which might be done by treachery or guile or chance; Tom didn’t have to be more powerful or brilliant than Albus in general to win a momentary, wand-stealing victory) to complete the set.

So once Albus decided Tom might be closing in on James and Lily, he took the Cloak.

Decreasing their chances of surviving the coming encounter, of course, but for the very best of causes.

For the Greater Good, really. “To save others from it.” To protect it.

We should applaud his selflessness.

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From:

madderbrad.livejournal.com

Wow, I love this observation:

So. Moments after agreeing with Harry that the Cloak couldn’t possibly have helped James or Lily, Albus contradicted this to tell Harry that the Cloak’s “true magic” is that it can be used to shield oneself and others simultaneously. I.e., that Lily maybe could have used it to sneak past Tom with Harry in her arms, had she been bold and cool-headed enough.

Excellent.

Mind you, these days I just like to collect Rowling errors - this makes #4,319 :-) - so I'd say this is another one of these. Because there's no way Rowling would have wanted us to think that Dumbledore deliberately placed the Potters in jeopardy like this, right?

Although - for whatever reason - he *did*. Thanks to your observation. All so Harry could have his nifty Cloak in book #1.

But Albus couldn’t risk Tom getting hold of the thing when he killed the Potters. Getting two of the three. Needing only to defeat the Deathstick’s master (which might be done by treachery or guile or chance; Tom didn’t have to be more powerful or brilliant than Albus in general to win a momentary, wand-stealing victory) to complete the set.

Yes, but moving the Cloak from Potter to Dumbledore does nothing in reducing the probability of Riddle completing the set. Actually, it *increases* the probability - with Dumbledore holding both Hallows then one single defeat of the headmaster will give Tom the set. Whereas by leaving the Cloak with James the number of battles/tasks/risks was doubled.

I suppose if one states that Voldemort was going to kill the Potters anyway then it's two-all. But still, taking the Cloak off James but only to keep it himself would not have made it any more difficult for Riddle to get all three.

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karentheunicorn.livejournal.com

With the whole Potters death I have often wondered this. We know Dumbledore seems willing to sacrifice people if he thinks its for the greater good. So, why would he hesitate on letting Voldemort meet up with baby Harry if that eventually meant Voldemort would be defeated. Keeping the cloak not only seems selfish but in a certain way...if Voldie happened to go to the potters, so what, seems like Voldie and Baby Harry meeting might have been what DD wanted. I know the zombie fans and even JKR herself would say NO, Dumbledore would not do that but to me DTCL writers/ and theorists have shown and pointed out many instances where Dumbledore willinly puts or allows Harry and others to be in mortal danger, or even be killed for the greater good. So, why would James/Lily be any more special than the other people Dumbledore claims to care about.

From:

oryx_leucoryx

I had long since given up my dream of uniting the Hallows

Hmm. Was this because he wasn't quite sure if the Potter family still had the cloak or because his Order wasn't that effective in getting the Stone from Tom? If we ignore Rowling's response from the Pottercast interview, but instead follow what Albus tells Harry in OOTP, at least the Potters and the Longbottoms had 3 direct encounters with Tom they survived before their respective sons were born. Does Albus' dream of uniting the Hallows explain why he needed a private army of people who do as he says without asking too many questions at a time when supposedly both he and the Ministry were united in the cause of fighting Tom? Was he using the trust of his most loyal supporters to promote his quest for the Hallow he knew to be in Tom's hands? Especially if he believed Tom was keeping it on him to use as needed.

From:

stasia

When I read, "His tone was unbearably bitter.", I didn't think his bitterness had anything to do with his potential or lack of same to protect the Potters. He was just bitter than he had only two of the Hallows.

*sigh*

Stasia

From:

the-bitter-word.livejournal.com

This makes a lot of sense, and tracks Dumbledore's life-long obsession with the Hallows, which we are probably supposed to view as his tragic flaw, directly leading to his death as well as the deaths of his sister and Snape, and now, the disposable Potters! Pshaw - the Potter parents didn't listen to him about the Secret Keeper thing, anyway. His sister was an inconvenient burden and Snape was a mean Slytherin. No harm, no foul! Off to heaven Dumbledore goes.

Contrary to what Potter said in King's Cross, Dumbledore did kill when he could have avoided it, or rather, he let those under his command unknowingly sacrifice their lives for his hubris.

From:

oryx_leucoryx

Meaning, Sirius had already been told that Dumbledore had taken the Cloak. However, it’s news to be imparted that Peter visited “last weekend” and shared the news about the McKinnons. So as of Harry’s birthday it had been a week, at least (most likely—not likely much less, and quite possibly much more, depending on how often Lily sees or writes Sirius) since Dumbledore had “borrowed” it.

Sirius, James and Lily are all in the Order photograph, taken two weeks before the McKinnons died. Since Lily tells Sirius in the letter that she believed Peter's bad mood was because he was mourning the McKinnons their death is probably the most recent one. So Sirius definitely saw the Potters some 3-4 weeks before Harry's birthday.

Since I doubt the Order photo was taken in the Potters' home/hiding place then they were able to leave home that day. My guess is that was when Albus saw the cloak, and he came to ask for it soon after.