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Oh, crap.

This may be my most hated chapter in this book. Given the stiff competition, that’s saying something. Let me check my supplies.

Silver bullets? Check.

Semi-automatic rifle? Check.

Telescopic laser sight? Check.

OK. Cover me, people. I’m goin’ in.

This is another chapter with a strange picture at the beginning. Mary GrandPrè’s drawing of Remus makes him look older and more worn than my 88-year-old mother. She’s never had plastic surgery, so that’s ridiculous. I know the guy’s had a hard life, but come on!

Harry has now been convinced of the superior magical powers of house elves: Since Kreacher was able to escape the Cave of Death and live when even SaintlyIdol! Dumbledore couldn’t, Harry believes Kreacher will be able to find and retrieve Mundungus in short order.

It doesn’t turn out that way. The Trio waits three days, during which time they have little to eat besides moldy bread, a detail that adds a nice fairy-tale feeling to this part of the story. I was wondering what they’d been eating, since they didn’t have the foresight to bring groceries with them, and Kreacher would have no reason to keep the house stocked with a lot of food when he’s there by himself.

HRH notice DE spies in the street outside, but their enemies are not able to get into the house. They decide Snape must have been restrained by the Tongue-Tying Curse, or he would have told his cohorts about the house. This raises an interesting question: Does this curse only prevent one from talking, or from any kind of communication? Could Snape betray the Order by writing or in some other way? I’m now imagining a DE game of charades as Snape acts out the phrase, “Order headquarters 12 Grimmauld Place.”

After three days the tension (and hunger) is getting to everybody. In trying to escape a RW/HG spat, Harry heads for the kitchen to see if Kreacher has returned yet. He hears somebody at the front door, and a cloaked figure enters and is confronted by the Dust Bunny from Beyond the Grave. When the figure assures the apparition of its innocence, the Dustledore explodes into a gray cloud so dense Harry can’t even see the person entering. So if the Blacks had been better housekeepers, this trick wouldn’t even work? Kreacher has a lot to answer for!

I also find it interesting that the DBfH explodes as soon as the person entering the house proclaims hir innocence. Is it able to tell if someone’s lying? Would it even work on Snape, since he killed Dumbledore only because he was browbeaten into it by the “victim”? That is, if the charm is predicated on the assumption that Snape is a ruthless, willing murderer, would it work if the “killer” regarded himself as innocent? In a very real sense, Snape is innocent of Dumbledore’s murder because of his reluctance to kill the evil geezer. I referred to Scumbledore’s death as “suicide by Snape” in my article “Chaos a Hundred Times.” If Snape saw himself not as a killer, but merely as an instrument of suicide, would that absolve him of the accusation charm’s effects? What if the killer were a psychopath who felt no guilt, or someone who considered the death justifiable homicide? No matter how you cast it, this spell is one dumb and ineffective “protection.”

Harry orders the visitor not to move, which causes the curtains to open on Walburga’s portrait, and she starts screaming invective again. Since she can be silenced by closing the curtains over her picture, why doesn’t somebody just put a Permanent Sticking Charm on the curtains so they’ll never open again? Oh, right. These are people with more magic than sense.

The invader turns out to be Remus, who proclaims his innocence in a run-on sentence phrased in a way that proves him to be a graduate of the Albus Dumbledore School of Pomposity: “I am Remus John Lupin, werewolf, sometimes known as Moony, one of the four creators of the Marauder’s Map, married to Nymphadora, usually known as Tonks, and I taught you how to produce a Patronus, Harry, which takes the form of a stag.” As others have pointed out, this statement contains no information that could not have been obtained by any number of people, so it really proves nothing about the identity of the speaker.

Lupin tells the Trio he’d have arrived three days earlier, but he had to evade the DE tailing him. It took him three days to do that? It’s no wonder Harry is so incompetent, with losers like this teaching him. I’m now wondering if Albus’s real plan was to educate Harry so poorly he couldn’t help but get killed by Voldemort. No wonder Albus spiked all of Snape’s attempts to make Harry a competent wizard; that was never the purpose of Harry’s education at all.

Lupin has brought butterbeers but no food, another fine example of wizarding impracticality. Good thing the beers are nonalcoholic; these people are loopy enough already.

Remus confirms the Trace could not still be on Harry, or the DEs would know he was in 12GP. He also tells HRH the Ministry and the DEs are now pretty much the same thing. This will make all those right-wingers happy who believe the government is inherently evil and out to get them. He adds that Scrimgeour supposedly allowed himself to be tortured to death rather than reveal Harry’s presence at the Weasley wedding.

Remus tells them the DEs have been going after every Order member they know about, trying to get info on Harry’s whereabouts. I found the following remarks, as Sherlock Holmes once said in a different context, very suggestive: “...they used the Cruciatus Curse on Tonks’s family...They’re all right--shaken, obviously, but otherwise okay.” Look at that cold-blooded phrasing--why, it’s so heartless, it sounds like something that horrible Snape might say! Lupin doesn’t sound like he even knows the Tonkses, let alone is related to them by marriage. Far more natural phrasing would have been, “my in-laws, Ted and Andromeda” instead of “Tonks’s family.” And why is he referring to his wife by her last name? I know she hates her first name--understandably so--and most people call her by her surname, but her husband is not “most people.” Surely he could come up with some affectionate nickname just for him to use. Unless--

Lupin also sounds largely indifferent to Ted and Andromeda’s suffering. They were tortured, for heaven’s sake, but he shrugs off the aftereffects of their agony by describing them as “shaken...but otherwise okay.” Put Lupin’s callousness together with the Tonkses’ disinterest in his well-being after the Seven Potters Fiasco, and it becomes clear these three tolerate each other only for the sake of ‘Dora.

Lupin confirms the DEs got through the heavy-duty protection charms on the Tonks residence because their being in charge of the Ministry allows them to “go nuclear” on anybody they want and get away with it. Remember that. It’ll come up again soon.

The story being fed to the public is that Harry is wanted for questioning in Dumbledore’s murder, so the authorities have to do whatever is necessary to find him. Supposedly people don’t know what’s really going on because the bad guys have also taken over the Daily Prophet.

Since it worked in Charity Burbage’s case, Scrimgeour’s death is also being reported as a “resignation,” and Pius Thicknesse is his Imperiused replacement. Voldy didn’t become Minister himself because having a front man allows him to run around doing the fun stuff, like torturing and killing people, instead of being stuck behind a desk be secretly in charge without provoking open resistance. Remus describes this tactic as “very clever” and “a masterstroke.” Maybe if you’re a dimwitted magical. Those of us with IQs in three digits would not consider it so brilliant, particularly if we were familiar with the history of Louis XIII and Cardinal Richelieu.

Remus then tells the Trio about the plot to round up “muggleborns” and accuse them of “stealing magic.” I’m now imagining how much fun it would be if this were true, and Filch were suddenly given back the magic that had been stolen from him. A bratty Hogwarts student hexes Filch for a laugh, thinking he can’t fight back. Little does the brat know he’s had a magic transplant! He whips out his wand and yells, “Crucio! Take that, you wanker!” As the student writhes and screams in agony, all victims of bullying stand up and cheer at this long-delayed justice.

Ron gallantly offers to protect Hermione by claiming her as his cousin and teaching her his family tree. Just what the magicals need: more cousins marrying and reproducing. It wouldn’t work, anyway, since her existence is common knowledge.

Voldemort does something that really is intelligent by making attendance at Hogwarts compulsory for all magical children--as long as they can prove they have magical relatives. This allows him to brainwash kids from an early age. You can bet Albus is kicking himself in the beyond for not getting the Wizengamot to pass this law years ago.

Remus then gets to the real reason for his visit: desperately trying to escape his manly familial obligations offering to help the Trio in the Horcrux hunt. Lupin assures them he could “provide protection” while remaining ignorant of what they are seeking. There can be no doubt Lupin is offering his alter ego’s assistance: He tells them, “You know what I am and what I can do.” He wouldn’t be expressing himself so delicately if he were referring to his abilities as a wizard. Only his shame about his “furry little problem” would make him speak so obliquely. I’m now imagining Snape gaping open-mouthed at this offer, then falling out of his chair laughing insanely at the idea of an unmedicated werewolf being of assistance for anything.

Harry quite sensibly can’t imagine how they could keep Remus in the dark if they were all living and researching together. While he’s still thinking, Hermione proves her chick street cred by asking about Tonks. This is where the conversation gets really weird.

“What about her?” said Lupin.

“Well,” said Hermione, frowning, “you’re married! How does she feel about you going away with us?”

“Tonks will be perfectly safe,” said Lupin. “She’ll be at her parents’ house.”

This is the same house in which Ted and Andromeda were tortured by Death Eaters!

This must represent J K Rowling’s nadir as an author regarding logic and consistency. Previously she had contradicted herself between books. In DH she contradicts herself in the same book, in different chapters that take place on different days, by having Hermione mind-rape her parents one day, then declare, “I don’t know nothin’ ‘bout birthin’ babies doin’ memory charms, Miz Scarlett Ron and Harry,” two days, three chapters, and 71 pages later (pages 96 and 167, respectively). But in this case, we have Remus contradicting himself, within the same conversation, in the same chapter, after only five pages (206 and 211)!

Please pardon my Anglo-Saxon and irreligiosity, but: Jesus Fucking Hosanna Christ! Do you have no self-respect, Joanne Rowling? Do you have no respect for your readers? This is such blatant idiocy it is insulting to the intelligence of even your youngest child readers.

P T Barnum’s famous saying needs to be updated for this fandom: There’s a sucker born every minute, and a J K Rowling to take ‘em. These sucker sycophants think we critics of the books are terrible meanies throwing tantrums over nothing. No, we just haven’t had the word STUPID surgically implanted on our foreheads in gen-you-wine fool’s gold.

The narration continues, “There was something strange in Lupin’s tone; it was almost cold.” Gee, ya think? Hermione takes the girl role again, being sensitive to the emotional undertones of the conversation as she hesitantly asks Remus if his marriage is in good shape. He “pointedly” replies everything’s fine. Then, “with an air of forcing himself to admit something unpleasant,” he tells them Tonks is pregnant.

The Trio congratulates Lupin. He looks uncomfortable, with “an artificial smile that was more like a grimace,” then tries to turn the conversation by asking them if they accept his offer of help. Harry confirms Remus wants to abandon his pregnant wife to the care of her parents, and Lupin finally proves his status as a true Marauder by retelling a lie that is blatant, callous, selfish, and utterly shameless all at once.

“She’ll be perfectly safe there, they’ll look after her,” said Lupin. Yeah, in that same house where they were tortured just the other day. I’m now imagining James and Sirius giving him a standing ovation from beyond the grave, yelling, “Yay, Moony! We always knew you had it in you!” Meanwhile here on Earth, a complacent, knowing smirk steals over the face of Severus Snape as he leans over and silkily whispers into Harry’s ear, “I told you so.”

[Remus] spoke with a finality bordering on indifference. [Really? Just bordering on indifference?] “Harry, I’m sure James would have wanted me to stick with you.”

“Well,” said Harry slowly, “I’m not. I’m pretty sure my father would have wanted to know why you aren’t sticking with your own kid, actually.”

Lupin’s face drained of color. The temperature in the kitchen must have dropped ten degrees. I wonder if that’s Fahrenheit or Celsius? Ron and Hermione look profoundly uncomfortable. Remus says Harry doesn’t understand, and Harry demands he explain. Remus swallows.

“I--I made a grave mistake in marrying Tonks. I did it against my better judgment, and I have regretted it very much ever since.”

“I see,” said Harry, “so you’re just going to dump her and the kid and run off with us?”

Lupin jumps to his feet and throws a tantrum. We’re supposed to believe he’s overcome with guilt and shame, but look at the way he speaks. Every sentence is about himself.

Although his dialogue is broken up by a couple of references to his behavior (indicated by ellipsis marks), I transcribe it here unbroken for effect.

“Don’t you understand what I’ve done to my wife and unborn child? I should never have married her, I’ve made her an outcast!...You have only ever seen me amongst the Order, or under Dumbledore’s protection at Hogwarts! You don’t know how most of the Wizarding world sees creatures like me! When they know of my affliction, they can barely talk to me! Don’t you see what I’ve done? Even her own family is disgusted by our marriage, what parents want their only child to marry a werewolf? [Aww, come on, Remus. You’re being much too modest. There are plenty of reasons for people to hate you that have nothing to do with your disease. Your spinelessness, your selfishness, your ass-kissing...I could go on and on.] And the child--the child--...My kind don’t usually breed! It will be like me, I am convinced of it--how can I forgive myself, when I knowingly risked passing on my own condition to an innocent child? And if, by some miracle, it is not like me, then it will be better off, a hundred times so, without a father of whom it must always be ashamed!”

This reads like a vocal exercise: me me me me me me me me me me me me me! It’s all    about poor, suffering, guilt-ridden Remus Lupin: I feel bad about marrying Tonks. I have this horrible disease that makes people hate me. I’ve alienated Tonks from her family. I’ve cursed my unborn child with my disease. Even if I haven’t passed it on, it’ll be better off without me because it’ll be ashamed of me.

There is not one word about what ‘Dora wants or about what effect being totally rejected and abandoned by its father will have on the child. Not one!

We will now pause for an editorial reply in the form of a song from the band Everclear, “Father of Mine,” written by Art Alexakis, Craig Montoya, and Greg Eklund:

Father of mine,

Tell me where did you go?

Yeah, you had the world inside your hand,

But you did not seem to know.

Father of mine,

Tell me what do you see,

When you look back at your wasted life

And you don't see me?

Daddy gave me a name.

My daddy gave me a name,

Then he walked away.

Father of mine

Tell me where have you been?

Yeah, I just closed my eyes,

And the world disappeared.

Father of mine,

Tell me how do you sleep

With the children you abandoned...?

I will never be safe.

I will never be sane.

I will always be weird inside.

I will always be lame.

Now I am a grown man

With a child of my own,

And I swear I'll never let her know

All the pain I have known.

Daddy gave me a name.

My daddy gave me a name,

Then he walked away.

Hermione tries to smooth things over by assuring Remus no child would be ashamed of him, but Harry contradicts her: “Oh, I don’t know, Hermione. I’d be pretty ashamed of him.”

At this point I was cheering Harry, yelling, “YES! YES! YES! GIVE IT TO HIM! GO, HARRY!

Harry in effect agrees with me about Lupin’s narcissism: He points out the child will be worse off without his father, since it’ll be a half-werewolf with an Order member dad. He also points out that since James died defending his family, he wouldn’t approve of Lupin’s abandoning his family to go adventuring. When Remus gets indignant, Harry accuses him of wanting to take up the mantle of Sirius the daredevil. Then he delivers the ultimate insult to a Gryffindor: He calls Lupin a coward.

Of course he’s a coward, Harry! You saw Snape’s Pensieve memory!

Lupin continues his tantrum by attacking Harry, then stomping out. Ron and Hermione castigate Harry, but he tells them, “Parents shouldn’t leave their kids unless--unless they’ve got to.”

Harry unfortunately backs down from his accurate assessment of Lupin’s courage, but justifies his truth-telling insult by saying it’ll be worth it if Remus goes back to Tonks.

The verdict is in on this character: Remus Lupin is a raging narcissist. He may be a “quiet” narcissist rather than a blatant one like Dumbledore, but his utter self-centeredness reveals him as one all the same.

I realize some commentators side with Lupin rather than Harry in this scene. They see his offer as being the kind of noble self-sacrifice men who are going off to war have always made to protect their families. This is clearly wrong. That is not my opinion. It is a fact based on the text. Nowhere does Remus say something like, “I really don’t want to leave my family, but I believe it’s necessary for me to make that sacrifice to defeat Voldemort and make the world safe for all children.” Everything he says is all about his feelings of regret about marriage and fatherhood and his desire to run away. Harry is absolutely right to call him a coward for not facing up to the family obligations he chose to take on.

It’s also been said that, since the marriage was a mistake, Lupin should just cut his losses. That is also an utterly selfish view. It is certainly true he should never have married Tonks, and even more true he should not have impregnated her. But having done so, it is his moral obligation to do everything in his power to be a good husband and loving father. If he can’t be a husband, he still is obligated to be a father. That child never asked to be conceived. A real man stands by his children, even if the marriage to their mother cannot be saved.

Of course, all this angsting is for nothing. The child can’t be Lupin’s. A man this weak and selfish clearly lacks the equipment to father children.

Rowling must have thought we needed to come down from the excitement of this argument by boring us with another infodump via newspaper. Figuring he can’t feel any worse than he does already, Harry finds out how wrong he can be by reading an article in the paper Lupin left. It’s an installment from Skeeter’s Dumbledore biography; the few paragraphs are another waste of space, telling us nothing we had not already learned in a far more entertaining fashion from Auntie Muriel. The next paper’s installment, about Albus at Hogwarts, sounds a lot more interesting, but of course we never get to read that. That would be too much fun.

Kreacher finally makes his dramatic return with Mundungus. Fletcher immediately starts whining about how he never wanted to be part of the whole Seven Potters thing, so he took off to save his own skin. Harry does the Gryffindor Thing and acts like cowardice is the worst sin in the world. After almost four pages, including some cartoonish whacking of Fletcher over the head by Kreacher wielding a saucepan, we finally find out what happened to the locket. Mundungus had to hand it over to some interfering woman who implied she’d take him in for illegal trading of magical artifacts if he didn’t give it to her. Rather than invent a new character, Rowling proves she’s a good liberal by recycling Dolores Umbridge.

I have to take up the cudgel on behalf of Mundungus Fletcher. He’s presented as a selfish, contemptible slimeball, but I don’t blame him for being the way he is. Everybody calls the poor guy “Dung,” for heaven’s sake! How could he not have a bad attitude? That’s called a self-fulfilling prophecy, people. If you call somebody “shit,” they’re going to feel like shit and consequently to act like shit. This is also another example of JKR’s childish obsession with doo doo jokes.

I have one more point to make about this chapter. It’s called, “The Bribe.” What bribe? Nobody offers to give somebody something, or do something for someone else, so they can get a benefit for themselves. The only possible reference can be to Fletcher’s giving Umbridge the necklace so she wouldn’t have him arrested. But that’s not a bribe; it’s extortion. I’d rather have a pompous chapter title than a nonsensical one.

Date: 2013-04-08 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nx74defiant.livejournal.com
Why is Mundungus in the order? He sleeps on duty, steals and yet they keep him. Why does DD keep him?

Date: 2013-04-08 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terri-testing.livejournal.com
Okay, I'll 'fess up to one of my favorite self-insert HP fantasies: being introduced to Remus Lupin, and cutting him dead.

And explaining, when accused of being prejudiced against werewolves: "I have no problem with him being a werewolf. My problem is that he's a monster of nature: an apparent mammal with neither spine, guts, balls, nor brains."

Date: 2013-04-08 04:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mary-j-59.livejournal.com
Brilliant sporking! Honestly, I lost all respect for Remus here, not that I had much left. And, like you, I actually wanted to stand up and cheer Harry, for the first time in a very long time. He was so right!

But, somehow, I had forgotten how appallingly callous Remus was about his in-laws, who seem like perfectly nice people when we meet them. Ugh! What an awful person he is! And I used to like him.

Then there's this - the Dust bunny from beyond the grave, as you so wittily call it. No matter how you cast it, this spell is one dumb and ineffective “protection.”

Exactly! It never made the slightest bit of sense to me. It's made of DUST; what is it going to do to anyone? And Snape is a master of nonverbal magic, so the tongue-tying curse makes no sense, either. How is this thing supposed to be a protection to anyone, and what, exactly, is it protecting them from?

One more thing: It drives me slightly nuts, both here and elsewhere in the series, that Rowling does not know the difference between remorse and repentance. In college, I studied Shakespeare with a rather brilliant man who explained it. Shakespeare knew the difference very well. If you're remorseful, you may well feel bad about what you've done, but you don't necessarily regret doing it. He said something like, "The fires of hell are flames of remorse". If you're repentant, you've taken a step or two beyond remorse; you acknowledge that what you have done is wrong and you take steps to correct the wrong and try not to do it again. Now, remorse is a necessary first step to repentance. But it's not enough, by itself, to heal anyone's soul. Not according to Shakespeare, or my former professor. I kind of wish Rowling had known of this distinction. It is salient that Snape is the only person in seven books who is ever called repentant. No one else, I guess, ever has to repent for anything.

But I wish still more that she had allowed her protagonist to really grow up, as he shows signs of doing in this chapter. I wish that forgiveness and reconciliation had helped him to his victory. I wish Rowling had not insisted on assassinating so many of her characters. And I really, really wish she hadn't written a scene justifying torture. This - making light of the Tonks's torture - is the preparation for that later scene, I believe.

Date: 2013-04-08 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feyshadow95.livejournal.com
Last time Kreacher disappeared he was betraying Sirius to Voldemort-you'd have thought that the Trio would be more worried about his three-day absence. Especially when Death Eaters turn up outside the house. Why does everyone say Hermione is smart?

the DEs got through the heavy-duty protection charms on the Tonks residence
In the first chapter Bella gets all excited at the thought of killing her ex-sister's family, but now that she can get at them she just lets them live? Why? She happily kills Remus and Tonks in the final battle.

Date: 2013-04-08 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urbanman1984.livejournal.com
It is possible that Tonks' child had another biological father, but that point is moot. I think this chapter shows what a passive character - and a shirker - Remus is.

This awful book fails the 'show don't tell' test yet again. We are told that V is "being very clever" when all he's doing is allowing Harry to slip through his fingers. Why waste effort on Andromeda and Ted? Why not capture the Weasleys and threaten to use the cruciatus curse on them unless Harry gives himself up? I think Deathly Hallows may well have been ghost written. If so they should sack the ghosts because they didn't do a very good job.

Date: 2013-04-09 01:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attilathepbnun.livejournal.com
I think this book puts paid to the notion that Rowling actually planned the series. Whatever she says, this book couldn't possibly be this bad if she'd actually planned anything ....

Date: 2013-04-09 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aikaterini.livejournal.com
/He adds that Scrimgeour supposedly allowed himself to be tortured to death rather than reveal Harry’s presence at the Weasley wedding./

Is this supposed to be foreshadowing of how Snape will be redeemed by his death as well? Or was it just to show that Scrimgeour wasn’t completely horrible despite…not agreeing with Harry and Dumbledore or wanting Harry to work with the Ministry to beat Voldemort?

/Voldy didn’t become Minister himself because having a front man allows him to run around doing the fun stuff, like torturing and killing people, instead of being stuck behind a desk be secretly in charge without provoking open resistance./

The Death Eaters now control the Ministry. Everyone knows that Death Eaters work for Voldemort. So, what does Voldemort have to lose if he’s out in the open? Why does he still feel the need to hide? Everyone knows that he’s back! Why does he have to “secretly” be in charge?

/“What about her?” said Lupin./

“What about her?”

“WHAT ABOUT HER?”

This is his wife! This is the woman who is pregnant with his child! And all he has to say when someone asks him how she is – during a war, mind you – is “what about her?”

I just – did JKR seriously intend for Remus/Tonks to be a genuine and loving couple or was the ship really just her way of telling the yaoi fans that Remus isn’t gay? Because, you know, she didn’t have to shackle Remus to a miserable marriage in order to do that. I never thought that he was gay and my opinion wouldn’t have changed if Remus had remained single.

/There is not one word about what ‘Dora wants or about what effect being totally rejected and abandoned by its father will have on the child./

Hmm, I think that we have someone who can tell Remus about the potential consequences of abandoning a baby because of a coerced marriage to its mother.

…Tom? Would you mind stepping in for a moment to tell Remus all about the lovely relationship (or lack thereof) that you had with your deadbeat dad?

Date: 2013-04-10 02:18 am (UTC)
sunnyskywalker: Young Beru Lars from Attack of the Clones; text "Sunnyskywalker" (spandex jackets)
From: [personal profile] sunnyskywalker
how can I forgive myself, when I knowingly risked passing on my own condition to an innocent child?

Okay, now I'm even more convinced that Lupin was in some manner careless with contraception (or outright cooperating with trying to have a kid at first, as Danny's suggested). Knowingly risked. Knowingly risked. At minimum, it sounds like he didn't think Tonks's precautions were adequate and wasn't using condoms, and if wizards have male contraceptive potions too... well. He then knowingly engaged in sex despite having not taken it or not being confident of its efficacy, sounds like.

It's bizarre. Rowling very well could have set Lupin up to have actual decent reasons for wanting to come along, if she wanted him to look like less of an ass. Or she could have had one of the Trio point out after he'd left that there were logical reasons but he was trying to do "the right thing for all the wrong reasons" if she wanted to make that distinction. But apparently to her the question of whether there are or aren't any actual reasons Lupin's "got to" leave to try to help save the world is irrelevant, because she wasn't thinking about whether anything might actually be useful to the Trio's mission. Because she'd planned that they would go alone, so they had to go alone, even when a character popped up pointing out that that was possibly a bad plan. So inject a dose of bad motives and Harry's dead parent angst (and, I guess, a stab at making James look good by comparison after pointing out his many, many failings?). And hope that's enough that we don't wonder, "Okay, even if they think Lupin's being an ass, why aren't they wondering whether they should have accepted anyway for entirely practical, let's-not-die-or-fail-of-cluelessness reasons? Or at least decided to ask someone else they trusted more, like Bill? Couldn't they get in touch somehow? Seriously, they're going to avoid asking anyone for help because Dumbledore didn't specifically authorize them to?"

It would have been one thing if they'd had reason to believe one or more Order members were moles or had been Imperiused, but they never did worry about that. Pity. Can you imagine the drama if they showed up at Shell Cottage and Bill tried to take Harry to Voldemort? Or even if Dumbledore had warned Harry last year that he was worried someone had been gotten at, and they had to worry about that all through DH?

Date: 2013-04-10 03:40 am (UTC)
sunnyskywalker: Young Beru Lars from Attack of the Clones; text "Sunnyskywalker" (spandex jackets)
From: [personal profile] sunnyskywalker
Is the butterbeer supposed to be a bribe for the kids to let him come on a magical fun adventure? That's either very childish of Lupin ("I brought beer! I'm a hero!"), or he's assuming they're childish (...fair enough), or it's supposed to make us feel sorry that he's so poor he can only afford a six-pack for a bribe.

(Incidentally, didn't Hermione say in GoF that it's "not strong stuff," ie, it is alcoholic, but only a tiny bit?)

Date: 2013-04-10 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terri-testing.livejournal.com
By the way, may I also express my general admiration and appreciation for your courage in taking on this task?

And we've got your back!

Date: 2013-04-17 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dracasadiablo.livejournal.com
It is certainly true he should never have married Tonks, and even more true he should not have impregnated her. But having done so, it is his moral obligation to do everything in his power to be a good husband and loving father. If he can’t be a husband, he still is obligated to be a father. That child never asked to be conceived. A real man stands by his children, even if the marriage to their mother cannot be saved.

Well said.
And especially true if Teddy (as Lupin believed he will) did turn out to be a werewolf.
If there was a possibility that the kid might be born infected / cursed then his father, who have who lived with the same cures for most of his life (and thus should know what to expect and how to deal with it), should be there to help the child.
Not just dump it to his wife and her parents.
Taking care of a regular non-werewolf kid is hard for a single parent.
I don't even want to imagine how difficult it would be for Tonks if the boy was a werewolf. I doubt she'd have the first clue how to help him.

This is a terrible chapter.
When I was reading DH for the first (and last) time I had to stop reading it more then once.
Lupin was never among the characters I liked but this was utterly disgusting to read.
And silly me, I was expecting that by the end of the book we'll find out he was evil or at least have more characters be disgusted by his behavior.
But nope. He gets to be among Harry's sainted dead. :/

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