I can see that, however that doesn't mean it WAS when he did so. I was under the impression that JKR has said the horcrux in the diary was formed from Myrtle's murder (tho' I would normally consider her death to have been an accident). I admit I could be wrong about that as I cannot remember where I heard it. I think it was supposed to be in the same discussion when she said that Bertha's death was used to create a horcrux of Naigini. I remember being terribly disappointed that it hadn't been the murder of the Riddle Mansion's caretaker since he seemed to be a 'significant' death having been the one who saw young Tom on the grounds when the Riddles were AK'd.
However, we also do not have enough info on exactly how much of that DiaryMemory was possible only because Tom used his ripped soul piece to make it. Ut was the fact that the Diary could think for itself that apparently suggests it was dark magic. However mere memories are not dark (unless a pensieve is dark magic?) Was the diary was originally more like a pensieve and the memory only became more 'thinking' when it became a horcrux? Or was that the intention all along and so needed to be a horcrux from the very beginning. IF the latter then it would not make sense of using Dorcas. IF the Diary couldn't think for itself originally, then why make it at all back then? But then why would Voldy have kept a blank muggle diary all those years? And of course all of this is shaded by the question of whether or not Tom even knew about pensieves. We have no [roof that he did since he didn't use one to attempt to discover the entire prophecy from Snape.
As for Lily's girlfriends, what I meant was that I find it says something about exactly who was chosen for the Order. If her fellow gryffindor roommates were not suitable for Albus to ask, then it leads us to ask what reason did Albus have for not asking them, but asking the Marauders. It is somewhat similar I think to why only Ron and Hermione are involved - tho' not exactly since we have no idea whether or not Albus would have asked say Neville once he finished Hogwarts. However, ask too many people who don't join and you risk your secrecy. Keep the numbers you do ask incredibly limited and you have a very small group - possibly too small to be effective.
But for me it speaks to what qualities Albus was looking for when he invited people to join. What did he see that he liked in the Marauders that wasn't there in Lily's friends? Presumably it wasn't just bravery since her girlfriends were likely gryffs.
In other words I want to know what Albus saw in the Marauders that he was specifically looking for that made him ask them to join. Since Lily's girlfriends possibly were not asked, does that mean she was only considered because of her relationship with the Marauders?
I agree that Lily's friends may have left her once she started dating James. In fact I have suggested it to others relatively often. They seem to have been a relatively judgmental group. But if they didn't actually abandon Lily over her friendship with Snape, then it begs more questions.
Were they actually her friends at the time or was their friendship dependent upon her dropping Snape? IF they were her friends, then what does that say about James if her friends found it harder to accept her relationship with him than the friendship she had with Sev? Or was it Lily who dropped her friends when she got so involved with the Marauders? Fanon seems to believe that since the friends disliked Snape they automatically preferred James. But they may have found him abhorrent as well. We just do not know and so must consider it several ways I think.
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Date: 2014-06-10 03:21 pm (UTC)However, we also do not have enough info on exactly how much of that DiaryMemory was possible only because Tom used his ripped soul piece to make it. Ut was the fact that the Diary could think for itself that apparently suggests it was dark magic. However mere memories are not dark (unless a pensieve is dark magic?) Was the diary was originally more like a pensieve and the memory only became more 'thinking' when it became a horcrux? Or was that the intention all along and so needed to be a horcrux from the very beginning. IF the latter then it would not make sense of using Dorcas. IF the Diary couldn't think for itself originally, then why make it at all back then? But then why would Voldy have kept a blank muggle diary all those years? And of course all of this is shaded by the question of whether or not Tom even knew about pensieves. We have no [roof that he did since he didn't use one to attempt to discover the entire prophecy from Snape.
As for Lily's girlfriends, what I meant was that I find it says something about exactly who was chosen for the Order. If her fellow gryffindor roommates were not suitable for Albus to ask, then it leads us to ask what reason did Albus have for not asking them, but asking the Marauders. It is somewhat similar I think to why only Ron and Hermione are involved - tho' not exactly since we have no idea whether or not Albus would have asked say Neville once he finished Hogwarts. However, ask too many people who don't join and you risk your secrecy. Keep the numbers you do ask incredibly limited and you have a very small group - possibly too small to be effective.
But for me it speaks to what qualities Albus was looking for when he invited people to join. What did he see that he liked in the Marauders that wasn't there in Lily's friends? Presumably it wasn't just bravery since her girlfriends were likely gryffs.
In other words I want to know what Albus saw in the Marauders that he was specifically looking for that made him ask them to join. Since Lily's girlfriends possibly were not asked, does that mean she was only considered because of her relationship with the Marauders?
I agree that Lily's friends may have left her once she started dating James. In fact I have suggested it to others relatively often. They seem to have been a relatively judgmental group. But if they didn't actually abandon Lily over her friendship with Snape, then it begs more questions.
Were they actually her friends at the time or was their friendship dependent upon her dropping Snape? IF they were her friends, then what does that say about James if her friends found it harder to accept her relationship with him than the friendship she had with Sev? Or was it Lily who dropped her friends when she got so involved with the Marauders? Fanon seems to believe that since the friends disliked Snape they automatically preferred James. But they may have found him abhorrent as well. We just do not know and so must consider it several ways I think.