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I've been packing all day and totally forgot to post this like I planned until now!



Based on the title of this chapter, more interesting things to follow!

Sirius leaps on Ron’s broken leg. Sucks to be Ron. He doesn't even suffer in a woobie, sexy way.

Sirius says they can explain what's going on afterward he kills Peter. Apparently he hasn’t learned anything from Azkaban. Try explaining first just once, Sirius. You might like it.

Ron’s now been bitten a lot by Scabbers btw. Ron’s pretty tough to be able to still hold on to him. Rat bites are nasty.

It is kind of ironic that it’s Lupin telling Sirius to explain everything from the beginning. Almost as if he’s trying to stretch this out until the moon rises!

LOL! Ron actually tries to say “I’m off” and hobble out on his broken leg. Possibly the funniest thing Ron’s ever done. Yeah, we’ll meet you back at school, Ron.

Ron and Harry’s eyes meet. They both believe Sirius and Lupin are out of their minds because the story makes no sense. Um, yes it does make sense. You just saw that Sirius was the black dog here, you guys. Hermione really is the thinking brain dog, isn’t she?

There’s only been seven animagi in the entire century. It’s kind of cute that at this age it doesn’t occur to Hermione that that’s because nobody actually registers.

That door opening? Totally Snape entering the room. Severus Snape: Super Spy.

Despite the fact that Wizards grow up in a world where all sorts of magical things happen, they never seem any more prepared than a Muggle would be to deal with this stuff if somebody doesn’t walk them through it beforehand: But Scabbers can’t be a man, he’s a rat! Or: Oh, the door opened by itself as if someone was walking in? Couldn’t possibly be someone walking in. We didn’t see them!

Lupin says that “in those days” (when he was bitten) there was no cure. There’s no cure now either, Lupin, as far as we know. The Potion isn’t a cure.

Harry can see where this story is going. Well done, Harry! (Though I don't think Harry ever tells us where he thinks it's going. Knowing Harry maybe this is all leading up to Julie Christie, and not Petunia Dursley, being Harry's aunt.)

Lupin’s friends couldn’t help but notice he disappeared once a month. Too bad you didn’t have Harry for a friend, Remus. He could have easily not noticed. Or at least not deduce anything from it if he did. How are you and Ron doing on that “Hermione’s regularly three places at once” mystery you’ve been solving since September, Harry?

Lupin reminisces about how his friends let a werewolf wander around loose in a town, trusting that they’d be able to keep him in control. Next you can all share stories about those carefree nights drunk driving on the highway and the laughs you had when you’d almost hit someone. Hermione agrees with me, at least.

Lupin feels a little guilty about betraying Dumbledore’s trust. Don’t worry, Lupin. Once Dumbledore finds out he’ll make you pay for it. You didn’t really think all that spying on the werewolves was for nothing, did you? Or that Sirius really needed to live in the one house he hated more than anything?

Lupin explains he didn’t tell Dumbledore Sirius was an animagus because he was too cowardly. Though really he could have told him without his disapproval. He could tell him Sirius had become an animagus without telling him why. I just can’t help but cheer anyone on for keeping a secret from Dumbledore for any reason.

Lupin cleverly says that Snape’s been right about him all along in the exact company that will assure him that Snape is never right about anything.

Lupin makes the first reference to the trick Sirius pulled on Snape, which Sirius still says served Snape right. I miss this version of the Prank.

Wow. Speaking of versions of stories, Lupin throws in without having to that Snape didn’t like James because he was, I don’t know, jealous of how good he was at Quidditch. Does he just automatically cut Snape down and cover for James and Sirius here without thinking about it even though it’s not necessary for the story? Because there’s just no way Lupin could actually believe that.

Lupin continues to impress me with how smoothly he polishes up the story dishonestly on the fly. (Seriously, I love Lupin.) Not only did he take time to suggest Snape hated James over Quidditch but he adds that James pulled Snape back from the tunnel at “great risk to his own life.” Except James is an animagus, as we’ve already learned, and werewolves are only dangerous to people. James regularly went down the tunnel to see Lupin for fun. The only danger James was in was being outed as an animagus by Snape. But he sure sounds more heroic in this version of the story.

And this is where Snape reveals himself, and given what he’s just heard man he must be pissed.

Seriously, I know he won’t listen to reason here but he really did just hear Lupin give a completely self-serving speech about him and his buddies. Imagine Harry listening to a conversation where Draco talked about his time at school with Harry this way. He'd be even more angry than Snape for less reason.

Things that happen twice:

Peter’s an animagus, just like Black and McGonagall. Perhaps after a THIRD example Ron and Harry will catch on that sometimes animals turn out to actually be people.
Speaking of unregistered animagi: Rita Skeeter.
‘Member how Harry went to the Shrieking Shack in his invisibility cloak? Now Snape’s come to the Shack in Harry's invisibility cloak.
In fact, three books from now it’ll be Harry slipping in a door in his invisibility cloak, only Draco will actually notice. Draco, the only character besides Hermione known to ever deduce things or make a cunning plan—even if it’s usually with disastrous results.
I was half-joking when writing about Lupin’s life among the werewolves in HBP as Dumbledore’s punishment for betraying his trust but it actually makes total sense and is in fitting with Dumbledore’s character. Plus it’s a nicely eerie parallel for Voldemort amusing himself by giving Draco an assignment to make him suffer and fail in HBP!
Lupin didn’t tell Dumbledore Sirius was an animagus because he’s a coward. Because he’s a coward. Because he’s a coward. That'll come up a lot.
Lupin’s “Snape’s been right about me all along” is about as disingenuous as his later “Snape’s right to have me fired” will be shortly.
Lupin’s behavior really does make him seem like exactly the guy Snape thinks he is here, just as it did in the Marauders Map chapter.

It’s a gun. No it isn’t! It’s Chekov! No it isn’t!

The Prank
Well, this one’s obvious, isn’t it? The series can’t end until we get the real story…

Status: Um...fired, but it turns out it was not so much a real gun as an empty water pistol that Snape shot at his own pants to make an embarrassing stain.





Exploitation Filmmakers’ Credo
Animagus. It’s not that difficult a concept. Even when you heard the guy had died.

Foley Work
Come on, you know the door had to creak really loudly when Snape walked in, even if his footsteps were somehow muffled.

Informed Attributes
Lupin’s just spitting these out right and left without Harry questioning any of them.

James Bond Exposition Rule
That’s it, Remus, keep talking. Just a little longer before the moon’s up. Don’t leave out the part about Quidditch. Quidditch is really important to the story.

Misdirected Answering
The chapter’s over and we still haven’t gotten anywhere near how Peter’s alive and Sirius didn’t kill him or why Sirius suddenly isn’t a bad guy anymore.

The Stealth Monster Rule
See Work, Foley. Snape must be using some version of Muffliato as he comes up those stairs!

Jabootu Score: 6

Date: 2010-05-31 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seductivedark.livejournal.com
In a different fictional world the teen-aged or recently teen-aged unrequited lover would be counseled not to be bitter, that if they truly love the other person they should be happy to see the other person happy, and then the poor soul would spend the rest of the chapter at least trying to put this into effect because it really is the only way to have peace of mind when one is rejected. I'm a curmudgeonly old grandma but I remember aching so desperately when the guy I adored adored my neighbor instead. Happy? Not hardly. At peace? Hell, no. Ineffectual and, dare I say, impotent to prevent his preference? Absolutely. So, in the end, I liked someone else and learned that the first crush isn't the only fish in the pond.

Snape, being one of Rowling's creations, must adhere to his high school sweetheart until death does he part. Harry marries Ginny, his flame from high school, Ron marries Hermione/Hermione marries Ron, flames from high school, George marries Fred's old girlfriend because of some sick weirdness but she and Fred were romantic in high school, and so on. Only that evil Draco and that lunatic Luna dare to marry outside of Harry's very tiny circle of acquaintances. And Remus - he didn't marry a girl from his own school years and see what that got him.

The main policies of the DEs didn't seem to be anti-Muggle-born back in VoldWar I - according to Rowling, Voldemort tried to recruit Muggle-born Lily as well as her Pure Blood husband.

Date: 2010-06-01 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madderbrad.livejournal.com
... according to Rowling, Voldemort tried to recruit Muggle-born Lily as well as her Pure Blood husband.

I've asked someone else about that. Is this stated in the canon, or is it just a bit of jumbled, ill considered, spur of the moment, feel good at the time, inconsistent post-publication propaganda by Rowling?

(Can you tell I'm not a fan of her trying to prop up her story after the books were printed? :-))

Date: 2010-06-01 12:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lynn-waterfall.livejournal.com
In the books, what we have is Hagrid thinking that that's why Voldemort went to the Potters' house the night he attacked them. Hagrid found that possibility not at ALL surprising.

The exact quote:

"Now, yer mum an' dad were as good a witch an' wizard as I ever knew. Head boy an' girl at Hogwarts in their day! Suppose the myst'ry is why You-Know-Who never tried to get 'em on his side before... probably knew they were too close ter Dumbledore ter want anythin' ter do with the Dark Side.

"Maybe he thought he could persuade 'em... maybe he just wanted 'em outta the way. All anyone knows is, he turned up in the village where you was all living, on Halloween ten years ago. You was just a year old. He came ter yer house an' -- an' --"

Date: 2010-06-01 01:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madderbrad.livejournal.com
Thanks for the quote.

On the one hand, Hagrid's guessing isn't hard canon evidence.

On the other hand, as you say, the mere fact that he could accept Voldemort as seeking Lily's allegiance - and she was a well-known muggle-born, yes? - suggests that Riddle wasn't pushing the anti-muggle-born thing all that hard back then. Interesting!

Date: 2010-06-01 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madderbrad.livejournal.com
Sirius says it flat-out when he talks about Regulus joining.

He does? Okay then. That makes it more reprehensible that Snape considered joining, then.

Date: 2010-06-01 04:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mary-j-59.livejournal.com
Yes, and I am convinced that Lily was one of those cases. After all, one thing that is absolutely canon is that Voldemort truly intended to spare her life. Sev was, at most, 21 at the time, and Lily the same! Talented young Wizards/witches would seem to be a dime a dozen! So WHY did he spare her? Just to please Severus? Somehow, I doubt it. When have we ever seen Voldemort do a favor - a real favor, without some sting in the tail - for any of his followers? OTOH, he had an eye for people who might be useful to him, and he also loved to manipulate his followers. I'm positive he asked her to join - possibly more than once.

I also think Voldemort's attitudes to Muggleborns, and when they became obvious, are inconsistently presented in canon.

Date: 2010-06-01 05:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lynn-waterfall.livejournal.com
Hmm... I hadn't thought about it before, but if Voldemort was interested in *recruiting* Lily, that makes his insistence that she voluntarily stand aside make more sense. If she would stand aside, she might be recruitable; if not, then she wasn't.

Date: 2010-06-01 01:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-bitter-word.livejournal.com
Interview December 2007 (http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2007/1217-pottercast-anelli.html)

MA: What about the three times-- The thrice-defying of Voldemort?

JKR: Of James and Lily?

MA: Of Neville's parents. Well, James and Lily, too.

JKR: It depends how you take defying, doesn't it. I mean, if you're counting, which I do, anytime you arrested one of his henchmen, anytime you escaped him, anytime you thwarted him, that's what he's looking for. And both couples qualified because they were both fighting. Also, James and Lily turned him down, that was established in "Philosopher's Stone". He wanted them, and they wouldn't come over, so that's one strike against them before they were even out of their teens.


Date: 2010-06-01 01:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madderbrad.livejournal.com
Also, James and Lily turned him down, that was established in "Philosopher's Stone".

Well, I'd argue that it wasn't 'established' at all ... Hagrid just made a *guess* that Voldemort offering a place to Lily wasn't completely out of the running, that's all. As per the canon quote that lynn_waterfall quoted above.

I guess Riddle wasn't pushing the anti-muggle-born position all that hard back then, though, if Hagrid thought such a thing was possible.

Date: 2010-06-01 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
I'm not sure what the woman was thinking when she said that. In OOTP she said both couples narrowly escaped Voldemort 3 times, meaning they both had 3 close encounters with Voldemort himself and survived. That sounded more impressive than refusing to be recruited or arresting henchmen. Especially once it turned out that James and Lily did not hold day jobs, all they did was serve the Order at least until Lily got pregnant. Compare to Tonks who served as an Auror in a regime that was in denial about Voldemort - and yet she managed to participate in 3 battles before the final one.

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