PoA Chapter Twenty-Two
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deathtocapslockFudge is telling Snape the Prophet will want to interview him, and he’s sure Harry will tell them how Snape saved him. LOL!
Harry and Hermione duck into a deserted classroom and don't make out. That's how we know it isn't fanfic.
Dumbledore greets Harry and Hermione with a big grin for following his instructions. It almost makes me wish they'd just never gotten his cryptic hint about the Time Turner just so they could be like…well, why didn't you just tell us to do that, then?
Pomfrey stands over Harry and Hermione to make sure they eat their chocolate. Is that really a problem, kids not eating their happy-feeling-giving chocolate?
Snape yells about being unable to disapparate in Hogwarts. Snape and Hermione: SOULMATES!
Dumbledore appears to be enjoying himself at Snape and Fudge's distress, which is pretty dickish. Snape honestly thinks that Sirius murdered Lily and James and tried to capture him, even if he's got a personal grudge against the guy too.
I guess it’s hard not to tease old Snivellus when you get the chance, especially if you're teasing him about something that means a lot to him.
Dumbledore took a risk with that "two places at once" line. Snape would know Hermione's secret and given his sensitivity on this issue he might have started yelling about how they used her Time Turner.
Hagrid comes up to the Trio by the lake. He's sweating and has been drinking all night. Interesting choice for the “friend to children” character.
It’s Lupin's last scene, and he still manages to pull off something brilliant in it. After forgetting his potion, endangering people on the grounds and pretty much being the cause of Peter's escape, he manages to make Snape the bad guy because he told the Slytherins and cast his resignation as something he's doing because he's too noble for his own good rather than really being called for. Well done, Lupin.
Also, Snape told the Slytherins out of spite for losing the Order of Merlin.
Harry proclaims Lupin the best DADA teacher he's ever had. Don't worry, Harry, you'll get a nice DE to take his place next year to take that crown.
Lupin also gives them back the map because now that he's not a teacher he doesn't feel guilty about it. Nobody really believes in rules or restrictions for any good reason.
Lupin says James would have been disappointed if his son never found any secret passages out of the castle. Typically, Harry didn't find any. Some just dropped into his lap for plot purposes.
Am I the only one who reads tons of negative emotion in the last Dumbledore/Remus scene? Because I just can't imagine Dumbledore as anything but coldly furious at learning how much Remus lied to him. He's probably already planning the werewolf spying that never goes anywhere.
Dumbledore explains a life debt, though the whole Snape life debt story is a lie.
Harry confides in Dumbledore about his Patronus because he knows he won't laugh. Harry, nobody would laugh. Stop giving Dumbledore fake sensitivity. Look what he just did to Snape.
Dumbledore says something kind of nice to Harry about the dead not leaving us. I think it’s made nicer by being placed before the books got into constantly and self-consciously Teaching Us About Death without actually saying anything.
Dumbledore references Harry's Patronus on the Quidditch Pitch. I mention it because years from now Harry's Patronus will be some big secret as if he didn't produce it in front of a large crowd.
Everyone's pleased at how justice was done: by relying on Dumbledore to go twinkly and make sure things happen the way they want.
The Trio has passed all their classes—as I would certainly hope. Harry thinks Dumbledore might have stepped in to keep Snape from failing him. Thus basically adding another crime to Snape's rap sheet without having any real reason to think he committed it.
Snape's fingers twitch whenever he gets near Harry, as if he wants to put them around his throat. Which is ironic because he probably wants to kill him for putting himself in so much danger.
So, wait, when does Dumbledore tell Snape the truth about Sirius? Is he just letting him stew about it now?
Hermione's dropped Muggle Studies, I imagine to the relief of everybody else in the Muggle studies classes. Can you imagine Hermione would be in a class where she really did know far more than not only every student but the teacher as well?
She drops two classes and has a normal schedule again. It seemed like she was working a lot more than two extra classes.
Ron casually mentions his dad getting tickets to the QWC. Getting a whole stack of tickets that are hard to get via deals with people at work is "usual" for Arthur.
Ron saves Sirius's little owl when Crookshanks looks at it with too much interest. Say good-bye, Crookshanks. From now on you'll pretty much just be another object that needs to be carted around or disposed of in every book.
So Sirius sent a cat with a postal order that said it was from Harry Potter but ordered them to take money from the account of Sirius Black. And that worked. That would have been interesting to see.
The fact that this didn't get noticed should explain how easy it is to sneak around the WW.
Ron is quite cute when someone actually a) remembers him and b) gives him something. He even holds it out for Crookshanks to sniff because Ron’s the one that gets scenes where we see he was wrong about something and learned better.
One final Owl. Everyone has a pet. The animal theme can end.
And Harry leads the Dursleys through the station knowing he can threaten them with physical harm. Yay!
Things used more than once:
Owl Post…Again!
Snape might not have really saved Harry here, but he has before…
It's as if the only reason Dumbledore told that bs story about Snape owing James a life debt, besides the many useful ways it was used (it was a good cover story for Lily/Snape and gave them the Prank to fight about) was to introduce the concept for Harry and Peter. Snape never seemed to have been beholden to James at all. At least not that way.
Yes, Harry will get tired of hearing how he looks like his dad but has his mother's eyes, DD.
Lupin predicts letters from parents about the werewolf teacher. There will later be threats of letters about the half-giant teacher. Though Dumbledore protects Hagrid.
The weather is perfect, yet Harry is in low spirits. I think Harry ought to think of being checked for the opposite of Seasonal Affected Disorder.
Gryffindor has won the House Cup for the third year running. Always nice to see the Underdogs win. Every time.
Harry arrives home with a threat for the Dursleys. This type of thing needs to keep getting upped in later books, however, because otherwise Harry wouldn't be downtrodden there. So after Sirius the murderer we get the whole Order threatening them and then Dumbledore showing up to knock them around the heads.
It’s a gun. No it isn’t! It’s Chekov! No it isn’t!
I’m sure Harry will tell everyone how Snape saved him
Status: Fired one day, but avoiding anything like self-reflection or gratitude on Harry's part.
Life debt!
Harry did a noble thing in saving Peter. Life debt! A million ideas how that will play out and…
Status: That's it? Peter flinches himself to death? It's like hanging a gold-plated blunderbuss over the mantle in Act I and having someone vaguely point to it in Act IV.
Harry has his mother's eyes
Status: I think it was fired in some way that didn't come across so much? Lily inspired men to love her to the point where they can't look at Harry without being affected.
Idiot World
It's never so obvious as when they think they've got things pretty good, really.
Informed Attributes
The narrator breezily tells us what all others are thinking through Harry's pov, which has a 50/50 chance of being right.
Offscreen Teleportation
The ability of a tiny owl carrying something its own weight can keep up with a speeding train.
Selling Wood
I always picture Dumbledore doing this in his good-bye to Lupin.
Jabootu Score: 4
Wow, that's the whole book. I can't believe how long I've been doing these! They were fun.
And sorry to everyone who found them the hurtful, rage-filled screeds of fury of a duplicitous, whiny Slytherfen!
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Date: 2010-06-25 05:54 pm (UTC)Re-read this chapter today and thought the same thing. Shows that in this world Harry & Ron aren't dumb for constantly forgetting it, since Fudge, the Minister AND former Hogwarts student, is on the same level.
Dumbledore appears to be enjoying himself at Snape and Fudge's distress, which is pretty dickish.
Yes, and since Snape, unlike Fudge, is aware of his surroundings, I wonder what he thought about that. We're told Snape was staring from Fudge to DD and then, after seeing DD's twinkling eyes (if Harry noticed, Snape definitely had), "stormed out of the ward". Had he understood Sirius was innocent then? Or just that DD had his own reasons to be happy? I suspect Peter's escape was A-OK from DD's pov.
Harry confides in Dumbledore about his Patronus because he knows he won't laugh. Harry, nobody would laugh.
It's the effect of being raised by the Dursleys. In DH he is afraid people will comment on manually digging Dobby's grave and prepares a scathing remark too.
Wow, that's the whole book. I can't believe how long I've been doing these! They were fun.
My only dream is for you to spork DH, that last book just demands it. I am sure you know what I mean. ;)
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Date: 2010-06-25 06:02 pm (UTC)Has anyone here sporked GoF? It's been a while since I've read it but I think that was the time JKR acquired her protection from editors.
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Date: 2010-06-25 07:39 pm (UTC)Harry did a noble thing in saving Peter. Life debt! A million ideas how that will play out and…
Status: That's it? Peter flinches himself to death? It's like hanging a gold-plated blunderbuss over the mantle in Act I and having someone vaguely point to it in Act IV.
Well, if you think about it, the life-debt paid off when Peter took Harry's blood for Voldemort's resurrection. Because that gave Harry stronger protection. According to Dumbledore from that moment Harry couldn't die as long as Voldemort remained in that same body. Hence infamous 'gleam of something like triumph'. But Rowling was so busy covering her 'surprises' that it takes fridge logic to realize this happened at all. And of course, in some interview or other Rowling contradicted the entire concept of magical life debt.
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Date: 2010-06-26 02:53 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2010-06-26 03:10 am (UTC)Apparently it is, because people keep having to insist that Harry eat it--and he keeps forgetting to.
Dumbledore took a risk with that "two places at once" line. Snape would know Hermione's secret and given his sensitivity on this issue he might have started yelling about how they used her Time Turner.
I've heard people say that this is the moment they knew that Snape was DDM, because as soon as Dumbledore hints about the time turner, Snape realizes that it's some plan of Dumbledore's and immediately shuts up.
It’s Lupin's last scene, and he still manages to pull off something brilliant in it. After forgetting his potion, endangering people on the grounds and pretty much being the cause of Peter's escape, he manages to make Snape the bad guy because he told the Slytherins and cast his resignation as something he's doing because he's too noble for his own good rather than really being called for. Well done, Lupin.
Seriously, why isn't this guy in the Ministry? They could use his spinning skills!
Can you imagine Hermione would be in a class where she really did know far more than not only every student but the teacher as well?
Wait. Isn't that every class?
It's as if the only reason Dumbledore told that bs story about Snape owing James a life debt, besides the many useful ways it was used (it was a good cover story for Lily/Snape and gave them the Prank to fight about) was to introduce the concept for Harry and Peter. Snape never seemed to have been beholden to James at all. At least not that way.
Yes. Which I guess was a good red herring, but it set up this expectation that the "life debt" would have some kind of important effect. Which it didn't. Unless it came into play in GoF when Peter used Harry's blood to reincorporate Voldemort. Which is pure fanwank.
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Date: 2010-06-26 03:18 am (UTC)The goblins didn't care one bit that Mr Black was a wanted wizard. Wouldn't the Ministry ask them to freeze his assets? Of course only the Hogsmeade post office staff knew the order was delivered by a cat, and they probably didn't know what was in the letter, though they must have known it was addressed to Gringotts.
BTW in some editions Sirius' vault number was given and it was similar to the one in which the Philosophers' Stone had been kept. There were speculations about the significance of the proximity that got nowhere.
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Date: 2010-06-26 03:21 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2010-06-26 11:00 am (UTC)Ha ha, that's funny! Someone should write a DVD extra along those lines. Dumbledore stunned, saying ... well, I thought I was being clever. Harry/Hermione responding that a man's LIFE was at stake!
I mention it because years from now Harry's Patronus will be some big secret as if he didn't produce it in front of a large crowd.
Are you referring to the first DA meeting, at the pub, where Harry's asked if it was true that he could do a corporeal Patronus? Good point! Maybe most of the quidditch crowd couldn't see who was casting the spell behind the stag?
Can you imagine Hermione would be in a class where she really did know far more than not only every student but the teacher as well?
At least one in two fanfics has her taking the OWL exams for Muggle Studies anyway.
Ron casually mentions his dad getting tickets to the QWC.
Oh, that's interesting. Proof that Rowling *did* know what she was doing in the first half of the series, and not making it all up as she went along. Back then. Before the last book.
Harry has his mother's eyes
Status: I think it was fired in some way that didn't come across so much?
I think the big deal with Snape's death scene was that, with his last breath, he wanted Harry to look at him, so he could die gazing into Lily's eyes.
Wow, that's the whole book. I can't believe how long I've been doing these! They were fun.
That they were! Thank you!
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Date: 2010-06-26 02:00 pm (UTC)I think I more meant that OotP makes a big deal of Harry's Patronus--the one he cast at Privet Drive--throughout as if this is the first time anyone knew he could do it. You'd think if it was that big of a deal people would have been impressed in PoA as well. His examiner even gives him a chance to do one as extra credit--which doesn't seem offered to the rest of the DA.
At least one in two fanfics has her taking the OWL exams for Muggle Studies anyway.
In my head I think I always imagined she did that too. There were kids in my school who took official exams in languages they spoke. I remember on girl who enrolled in an Italian class to take the exam and she kept falling asleep in it.
I think the big deal with Snape's death scene was that, with his last breath, he wanted Harry to look at him, so he could die gazing into Lily's eyes.
I think that was it too. People seemed to think it was a magical thing, like that Harry having her eyes was a plot point. Really it was just that he was unwittingly reminding everyone who knew Lily about Lily.
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Date: 2010-06-26 04:11 pm (UTC)The form of Harry's Patronus is used as the security question Remus asks him to make sure he isn't an impostor when the Order comes to take him from 4PD to 12GP.
At least one in two fanfics has her taking the OWL exams for Muggle Studies anyway.
Well, HBP states she had 11 OWLs ...
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Date: 2010-06-27 03:21 am (UTC)Status: I think it was fired in some way that didn't come across so much?
I think the big deal with Snape's death scene was that, with his last breath, he wanted Harry to look at him, so he could die gazing into Lily's eyes.
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That and Harry getting the corrected memory from Slughorn in HBP.
Still not as big a deal as most fans were expecting.
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Date: 2010-06-26 02:24 pm (UTC)Lily was obviously supposed to be such a big deal, and yet JKR never really told us much of anything about her.
I can't believe how long I've been doing these! They were fun.
Yes, they've been fun, thought-provoking, and informative. They've made me see the books from so many new perspectives.
But every book needs to be resporked post-DH.
I agree. I know that all good things must come to an end, but I hope you'll keep sporking. Even though I usually just lurk, I love this, and I'll miss you if you stop.
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Date: 2010-06-27 05:13 pm (UTC)They've made me see the books from so many new perspectives.
I think over the years I wrote a ton of meta inspired by this place. I noticed a lot of things I hadn't before. Like in this book, all the themes with the animals and false accusations. It's pretty obvious but I never really noticed it.
Heh. Sometimes I think maybe I should do Twilight! But from what I heard it doesn't seem like Twilight would be half as interesting to pick apart. It doesn't seem well-written enough to be worth it.
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Date: 2010-06-26 02:40 pm (UTC)True. Her doing 12 subjects would probably take less time than a normal student doing 10 subjects.
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Date: 2010-06-26 03:17 pm (UTC)It shows Harry's innate superiority - a fat kid would have been all over it.
The Trio has passed all their classes—as I would certainly hope. Harry thinks Dumbledore might have stepped in to keep Snape from failing him. Thus basically adding another crime to Snape's rap sheet without having any real reason to think he committed it.
Not to say Harry has no problem with a headmaster who would do something like that. Thank god it's only the Slytherins playing at favouritism.
The funny thing about Hermione and her many classes is that we learn (later?) that Percy got 12 OWLs, meaning he must have had a time-turner, too. So the whole procedure should be rather common place and makes it even more improbable that Ron never cottons onto how Hermione kept popping up between classes.
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Date: 2010-06-28 02:15 am (UTC)*facepalm* Because Harry's ALWAYS so grateful to Snape for saving his life. So grateful he'll only acknowledge it after the man [supposedly! *blocks ears and hums*] dies.
Harry and Hermione duck into a deserted classroom and don't make out. That's how we know it isn't fanfic.
LMAO. IKR?! The amount of hormonal hijinks happening in Hogwarts according to fanfic is incredible!
Snape yells about being unable to disapparate in Hogwarts. Snape and Hermione: SOULMATES!
I you! *squees* That's just hilarious!
Dumbledore appears to be enjoying himself at Snape and Fudge's distress, which is pretty dickish.
Dumbledore is a colossal bastard. The End.
Snape would know Hermione's secret and given his sensitivity on this issue he might have started yelling about how they used her Time Turner.
Would he have, though? It's one thing for students in her class, but he only sees her during Potions. How would he know that she was anywhere she wasn't meant to be? I doubt Dumbledore lets the whole staff in on what's going on at any given time. Minerva knew, as her Head of House, but I don't think the other teachers necessarily knew about it. Dumbledore does like his secrets.
He's sweating and has been drinking all night. Interesting choice for the “friend to children” character.
I LOATHE HAGRID. People go on about Snape's teaching practices, what about Hagrid? He constantly endangers children and everyone always makes excuses for him! Oh, a Slytherin was at fault, oh, he's sad about some monstrous dangerous pet that's more trouble than it's worth, blah blah blah. I wanted him to choke on his own rock cakes. It's so damn condescending- I mean, they're supposed to be friends, right, it was never an authority figure/student thing with the Trio and Hagrid, why the hell didn't they ever just say, 'These rock cakes are a HEALTH HAZARD, stop trying to KILL US WITH THEM, kthxbai'. If I was doing something wrong or embarrassing, I'd want my friends to tell me. But oh, Hagrid, let's just humor him and let him get away with being a noisy, drunken, irresponsible lout. *stabs*
After forgetting his potion, endangering people on the grounds and pretty much being the cause of Peter's escape, he manages to make Snape the bad guy
Lupin's a smarmy passhole. The End.
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Date: 2010-06-28 03:22 am (UTC)Not all teachers live in an isolated tower like Trelawney. They meet occasionally in the staff room or at the staff table. There's a chance they might figure out a student is taking overlapping classes.
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Date: 2010-06-28 02:15 am (UTC)Honestly, the double standards and hypocrisy makes me so angry. If Snape had stepped in and used his authority to get a Slytherin through a class they would've otherwise failed, everyone would've been howling at the favoritism, but if it's for Gryffindors or Harry, it's a-ok! *spits in disgust*
She drops two classes and has a normal schedule again. It seemed like she was working a lot more than two extra classes.
Seriously? A Time-Turner for just two extra classes? But...what?
Ok. How many subjects do kids usually study? Maybe say, they usually do five but there's space in the schedule for seven, and then on top of that, she picked another two classes and so the four extra classes wouldn't go with her normal ones, hence the Time-Turner? Because I remember at high school, we did five units in VCE, but people could do two extra units if they wanted. And then if there were other classes we wanted, we'd do it by correspondence, further increasing our total.
It's gotta be something like that, otherwise the idea of getting a Time-Turner, such a massively powerful device open to abuse and manipulation, just for TWO classes is nonsense.
So Sirius sent a cat with a postal order that said it was from Harry Potter but ordered them to take money from the account of Sirius Black. And that worked.
So what if some random person sent an order for the most expensive broom availabe and charged it to Harry's account but sent the broom to themselves? Would that work? Because the security here is just...non-existent.
OMG, don't get me started on Lily's eyes. I just...*head!splodes* How can you focus on someone's eyes and totally disregard the face surrounding them? It's one thing if it's someone of the same gender with vaguely similar features but a GUY with GLASSES around those marvelous eyes, come on. Thank you, JKR, for just destroying Snape's characterization.
Btw. Wasn't there something about how she deliberately didn't have Snape and Ginny interacting because she resembled Lily? I mean...wtf? If green eyes in a guy can remind him of Lily, how about red hair on Ron? It's just so lame, this whole notion that one generic feature can evoke such a huge emotional response. Harry being her kid, yes, having similar eyes? NO, I don't buy it at all. I was totally hung up and obsessed with someone in RL, and totally shattered when they disappeared from my life, but I didn't go around mooning over anyone with similar colored eyes. Gah!
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Date: 2010-06-29 01:14 am (UTC)I always imagine it was the face surrounding Harry's eyes that made it even worse. I mean, it's not just the color, it's that he really has her eyes, and Snape probably was close enough to Lily that he would see the resemblance sitting their in James Potter's stupid face!
I never heard the Snape/Ginny thing. I'd be surprised if it was true, though. Though I guess some would say Snape really was trying to keep Harry apart from Ginny in HBP when Harry thought he was!
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Date: 2010-06-28 03:41 am (UTC)There are seven mandatory classes:
Charms
Herbology
Transfiguration
Potions
Defense
Astronomy
History
There appear to be five electives to choose from, and taking two of them appears to be the standard (or maybe the minimum):
Care of Magical Creatures
Divination
Muggle Studies
Ancient Runes
Arithmancy
So, when Hermione dropped two classes, she was still doing one extra, but that was apparently manageable.
There's no real logic about Hermione's needing a Time Turner just in order to attend all of the classes. As others have pointed out, other people took 12 classes for at least three years and did fine -- even Percy, who did so in the first book. Admittedly, we don't see much of him in that book after the welcoming feast, except at Christmas, but we don't hear that he's particularly tired, either.
It gets worse, though. At the end of the year, the Arithmancy exam is at the same time as the Transfiguration exam. But Transfiguration is mandatory -- so is Hermione the only one that year taking Arithmancy? If not, everyone else in her year *also* has a conflict. Likewise, the Charms and Ancient Runes exams are at the same time.
(Apparently everyone in the year would have a given class' exam at the same time, even though the year is divided at least in two for the classes in the mandatory subjects. That at least is reasonable.)
Also, look at the classes that we know overlap, because Ron notices Hermione's schedule at the beginning of the year are three of the electives: Divination, Muggle Studies, and Arithmancy. No one else in Hermione's year is taking more than one of those classes, either?
The overlaps could work, but it'd be quite odd. Hermione would be alone in Arithmancy and Ancient Runes, and no one would be in both Divination and Muggle Studies. That doesn't actually contradict anything we know (I think) but it would be very strange.
Although if you follow that, Draco must have taken Muggle Studies, because he wasn't in Divination, and he must have taken two electives. I can't imagine that his parents would let him get away with taking less than two, when even an unmotivated student like Harry only took two, himself.
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