COS Chapter Twelve: "The Polyjuice Potion"
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* Slytherin are so evil that even the thought of being there is enough to make Harry feel sick. These books are such a good argument for tolerance, don’t you think?
* “Harry was just thinking that all he needed was for Dumbledore’s pet bird to die while he was alone in the office with it” just makes him sound so self-centred. Never mind about the dead bird, or Dumbledore losing his beloved pet, I might get in trouble for it! Even though I’d have no motive in killing it and it was pretty obviously sick before I came in.
* Fawkes is usually very pretty, just in case we were worrying that Harry might end up having his life saved by something ugly.
* Given what we now know about Dumbledore’s views on personal loyalty, the emphasis on the word “faithful” looks rather sinister.
* Any guesses on why exactly Hagrid needs to carry the rooster around with him in the castle?
* That’s right, Harry, don’t tell DD about that mysterious voice you heard! Heaven forbid that you might actually help him solve the mystery before anybody is seriously hurt.
* I think it’s rather sweet that Crabbe and Goyle are staying behind with Malfoy. They really do seem to care about each other. (Well, until the abomination that is DH, that is.)
* Harry’s glad that most people are leaving, despite the fact that this’ll narrow down the potential list of suspects and make it more likely that they’ll be caught.
* “[Harry] was tired of people skirting around him in the corridors, as though he were about to sprout fangs or spit poison; tired of all the muttering, pointing and hissing as he passed.” I wonder if that’s what the Slytherins feel like all the time?
* I have to admit, F&G’s heir of Slytherin routine is pretty amusing. But since it’s so different to their usual brand of “humour”, I think I can like it without feeling too guilty.
* I wonder why Fred, George and Ginny have decided to stay? Is it because the fine Mr. Weasley had to pay means they can’t afford to take them, and they’re too proud to admit the real reason?
* I’m sure that the teachers of Hogwarts appreciate Percy staying behind to help them, even if Harry doesn’t.
*How rude of the Dursleys to send him a toothpick like that, especially when Harry gave them an expensive luxury hamper bursting to the brim with Honeyduke’s finest chocolate. Or nothing. I forget which.
* BTW, it seems odd to go to all the trouble of sending Harry such a silly little present. Unless DD sent Hedwig to keep bothering them until they sent something…
* Ron gives Harry a book about Ron’s favourite Quidditch team, rather than something Harry would be expected to be interested in.
* I hope Mrs. Weasley gave her real children presents which were at least as good as the ones she gave Harry.
* F&G have bewitched Percy’s Prefect Badge to make it say “Pinhead”. Oh, the hilarity!
* Crabbe and Goyle eat four helpings of pudding. Harry and Ron, who aren’t greedy pigs, limit themselves to three.
* Hermione’s telling the Slytherins that Millicent Bulstrode came back would backfire spectacularly once they realised that Millicent had not in fact returned, and that they had, therefore, been tricked.
* It’s a shame that nobody’s written a HP/Hercule Poirot crossover fic, in which Poirot investigates the Polyjuice incident. He’d probably solve the mystery within half an hour, and then work out who’s petrifying all those students for good measure.
* Ron and Hermione are prepared to knock out two of Draco’s friends based on extremely flimsy evidence. Remember this is HBP, when they refuse to believe that Draco’s up to something, despite having much better evidence than they do here.
* At least Harry and Ron didn’t strip Crabbe and Goyle. Be grateful for small mercies, I suppose.
* Millicent Bulstrode is “no pixie”, apparently, which seems like a polite way of saying “fat”. Outside of fandom, are there any pretty Slytherin girls, or are they all fat and ugly?
* You’d have thought it wouldn’t have been beyond the Trio to change into their new clothes before taking the Polyjuice Potion.
* Ever since reading Draco Dormiens, I’ve always imagined Harry surreptitiously checking to see whether Goyle is bigger than he is.
* And now they’ve got to find the Slytherin common room. Gee, guys, would it have been impossible to find that out before you took the Potion? Even if you don’t arouse suspicion by not knowing where it is, you’ll waste valuable time trying to find it.
* All this makes Ron’s quip about Goyle being dumb look rather silly.
* I don’t know why, but I’ve always thought that this Ravenclaw girl was Penelope Clearwater. Perhaps she’s just been meeting Percy in one of the disused dungeons.
* Whoever she is, her reply to Harry and Ron is rather rude. Is that what the Slytherins are treated like all the time? It’s a shame Harry and Ron never consider this, and maybe get a bit of sympathy for the Slytherins.
* The Slytherin password is “Pureblood”, just to remind us that they’re all racists, and, therefore, evil. Never mind that Slytherin’s most famous alumni, Tom Riddle and Severus Snape, were both halfbloods, and in Tom’s case, there was no way to know whether he was a muggleborn, pureblood or half-blood.
* The Slytherin common-room doesn’t look particularly luxurious, which seems odd for a supposed bastion of aristocratic privilege. Perhaps it’s like that to try and inculcate some humility into the children, like the fag system in old British public schools.
* I think it’s rather sweet of Mr. Malfoy to send his son newspaper clippings like that. “Here, Draco, let’s both laugh together at these guys!” I still think it odd that such an evil bully as Draco apparently is wouldn’t make greater use of it to humiliate Ron. Maybe he’s not so bad after all.
* Mrs. Weasley has threatened to set the family ghoul on reporters, apparently not realising that that sort of action is extremely bad publicity.
* Draco’s theory about DD hushing up the attacks is probably correct; at any rate, nobody seems to refer to them much in later books.
* Do racists normally go on about how much they hate [insert ethnicity here] as much as Draco’s doing in this scene? It just comes across as really false and over-the-top, at least to me. Perhaps he’s twigged that there’s something wrong with “Crabbe” and “Goyle”, and is deliberately acting oddly in order to see if they notice.
* Draco wishes that Hermione would get killed by the monster. Knowing what she’s going to become in later books, I can’t help but wonder whether that might not be for the best after all.
* For all Harry and Ron’s jokes about C&G being thick, they seem to be arousing Draco’s suspicions by being slower on the uptake.
* Harry and Ron are “hoping against hope that Malfoy hadn’t noticed anything.” I wouldn’t count on it, guys; he seems like a good Potions student, so he probably remembers what Snape said about the Polyjuice Potion; Harry and Ron were the least convincing Crabbe and Goyle imaginable; a boy who can notice Harry’s foot slipping out of the invisibility cloak for a split second would almost certainly notice his best friends changing into somebody else before his eyes; and the real Crabbe and Goyle would tell him that they weren’t there. He probably knows what happened, and feels really annoyed that DD doesn’t do anything about it.
* What’s the point of Cat!Hermione? It doesn’t advance the plot, it doesn’t contribute to characterisation, and it doesn’t add to the atmosphere of the story. Perhaps it’s to stop people questioning her plan by making them feel sorry for her.
* “Madam Pomfrey never asks too many questions…” Given what goes on in Hogwarts, maybe it’s time she started.
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Date: 2010-12-13 01:42 pm (UTC)If that is true then everyone is right and nobody is wrong.
Voldemort or Bellatrix could choose to believe/decide that what they were doing was not evil and was actually good. Therefor there soul should not be split/damaged/hurt because they are actually the good guys.
Thats why I question Dumbledore's comment about Snape is going to know if it damanges his soul or not. IF it's up to Snape to decided what is good and evil then it's up to everyone else as well.
And Voldemort and Bellatrix are what I would consider 'crazy people', delusional. So there version of what they believe should be just as valid as anyone elses if it's up to each person to determine if what we do is good or evil. In fact Voldemort and Bellatrix do believe what they are doing is right for them so technically they should not go to hell and are not evil in their own mind. Perhaps they are choosing to decide they are evil because the morality of everyone else told them they were evil.
Not unlike how James determines that Snape is evil for existing. Really, with a comment like that (Because you exist you deserve abuse) I do have to question JKR on exactly where the good guys moral compass is hidden.
Using another example of I think it therefor I am. Shouldn't Snape have automatically had a portrait appear in Hogwarts if it's up to him if he's good or evil?
Something else determined that he wasn't good enough to get a portrait. I know JKR did that on purpose but in canon, storywise we have to figure out both it's up to the person to decide but also there is something else controling things that decide.
And this is just a portrait we're talking about - the act of ending someone's life has to be vastly more powerful and important than that, right?
I don't know if what I'm saying is making sense and I'm not sure if I'm explaining what I'm thinking correctly.
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Date: 2010-12-13 03:28 pm (UTC)The lack of a portrait, JKR said, was because when Snape was fleeing for his life from McGonagall and trying to find Harry, he "abandoned his post" as Headmaster. Which is just BS. I gather he was supposed to let McGonagall kill him and thus fail to carry out DD's plans and give Harry the info he needed to end the war? That would be being dutiful??
To me, all it says is that he's not really dead. ;)
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Date: 2010-12-13 05:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-12-13 08:29 pm (UTC)He didn't stand and fight the death eaters off on the astronomy tower.
I mean okay he sacrificed himself supposedly for the greater good but only him and Severus knew it. So how does he get a potrait and Severus doesn't? Severus wasn't really abandoning his post persay any more than Dumbledore was, or at least it doesn't seem like it to me.
I think she said something like the general consensus was that Severus abandoned his post. Sorry I can't remember the quote but I went to find it. SO here it is.
Q: Is Severus Snape's portrait in the headmaster's office?
JKR: Some have been asking why hasn't the portrait appeared immediately. It doesn't. The reason is that the perception in the castle itself and everyone who was in the castle, because Snape kept his secret so well was that he abandoned his post. So all the portraits you see in the headmaster's study are all headmasters and mistresses who died, it's like British royals. You only get good press if you die in office. Abdication is not acceptable, particularly if you marry an American. I'm kidding! [laughter] I digress. I know, because I thought this one through, because it was very important to me, I know Harry would have insisted that Snape's portrait was on that wall, right beside Dumbledore's. [Applause.] As for whether Harry would go back to talk to him, I think, I'm not sure he would have done. Snape, I was really [?] the week after I finished the book. And I went to a chat room - not a chat room, what am I talking about? [laughter] I never go in chat rooms. I went onto a fan site because I was looking for questions to put up on my Web site, which is sometimes difficult. And I was so heartened to see that people on the message boards that people were still arguing about Snape. The book was out, and they were still arguing whether Snape was a good guy. But that was really wonderful to me, because there's a question there, was Snape a good guy or not? In many ways he really wasn't. So I haven't been deliberately misleading everyone all this time, when I say that he's a good guy. Because even though he did love and he loved very deeply and he was very brave, both qualities that I admire above anything else, he was bitter and he was vindictive... but right at the very very end, he did, as your question acknowledges, acheive a kind of peace together and I tried to show that in the epilogue.
The part that sticks out to me is (well a lot but I'll just take the part refering to what we're discussing)
The reason is that the perception in the castle itself and everyone who was in the castle, because Snape kept his secret so well was that he abandoned his post.
Apparently everyone's opinion matters on the portrait thing but um...Didn't the portraits in the Headmasters office know the truth, They were all there for the discussions. And what does she mean by the statment of the 'castle itself'. Is she trying to say the castle didn't know teh truth about Snape but the portraits in the headmasters office which had all been present for Dumbledore/Snape discussions can't vouch for him to the 'Castle ITSELF'?
And another thing I'm wondering is about the end of her statement, about him (Severus) but right at the very very end, he did, as your question acknowledges, acheive a kind of peace together and I tried to show that in the epilogue.
Huh? peace together in the epilogue? Severus got peace together with Harry in the epilogue? WHERE?
Was she really talking about Severus or Harry because Harry naming his second sons middle name Severus doesn't seem like it has anything to do with Severus 'himself' - thats all Harry. Did he go ask the portrait if he could use the name or something? Because thats the only way I see Severus being involved in anything IN the epilogue. There was nothing in the epilogue about Snape - that was all about Harry and that Harry was able to forgive. Maybe I'm not looking at it the way she is, but seriously...there was no actual Severus Snape involvement in the epilogue's touchy feeling ending.
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Date: 2010-12-13 09:37 pm (UTC)The portrait answer is BS. Obviously the portraits would have known. Also in so far as the castle can know anything, I think it's pretty clear that the castle knew enough not to go that route: it allows supposedly-Death-Eater-villain Snape access to the headmaster's office without any reported trouble, but it blocked Umbridge. I think JKR just has a block about doing anything remotely nice for Snape unless she can present it as her heroes being magnanimous - clearly he doesn't actually *deserve* anything, oh no. /snark
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Date: 2010-12-14 12:21 am (UTC)2007 ~ New Orleans
Dwayne Lockett, of Alice Harte Elementary, asked what advice Rowling could give students who wanted to write, especially if their grades weren't the best.
"If you'd seen my grades in chemistry. . ." Rowling said. "That's why Snape teaches Potions."
Then, after the audience groaned, she said, "Don't say awwww! He deserved it! We can all think of teachers we'd like revenge on."
I don't really think I know any teachers I want to take 'revenge' on. I had some mean teachers but looking back I can honestly say as an adult I don't think I'd ever use that term if I wrote a book and used a real live person as a motivation. If I was angry with someone I'd prefer not to give them credit for something I did.
Sounds like the audiance didn't exactly appreciate the comment either actually.
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Date: 2010-12-14 12:51 am (UTC)Really. Some of my worst/meanest teachers taught history and art, and yet I LOVE both subjects!
And I like chemistry, altho my teacher wasn't wonderful...she was just, well, blah.
If I was going to write a story with a bad teacher, then I probably would very well utilize memories of all the bad teachers I've ever had in crafting the character. But I wouldn't necessarily assign the teacher to a subject that I didn't do well in at school.
And Rowling is really being passive-aggressive in her assessment of Snape; on one hand she claims he's a teacher who needs to be taken revenge on, and deserves what he gets. But OTOH she makes him one of the most competent professors at the school, and the bravest.
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Date: 2010-12-14 01:28 pm (UTC)The way I look at it, I wouldn't say even if I did use some persons character/personality as moativation to create a character. SO I'm not really saying I'd never take some inspiration from real life situations but I wouldn't even want to mention said person just because I took an idea from someone's temper, or how they talked or whatever.
Especially considering in some way I'd be saying I owe my fame and creation in some part to said person I am trying to take revenge on.
If I was going to write a story with a bad teacher, then I probably would very well utilize memories of all the bad teachers I've ever had in crafting the character. But I wouldn't necessarily assign the teacher to a subject that I didn't do well in at school.
I'm not saying I wouldn't use an experience or I wouldn't take some aspect of what or how I'd seen someone behave - I'm more saying at this point as an adult I really don't care about getting revenge on a teacher from 25-30 years ago. And I certainly wouldn't give them any credit or even imply it.
And Rowling is really being passive-aggressive in her assessment of Snape; on one hand she claims he's a teacher who needs to be taken revenge on, and deserves what he gets. But OTOH she makes him one of the most competent professors at the school, and the bravest.
Okay, she says Snape is, vendictive and bitter. Those are two qualities she gives him constantly but she is the one talking about taking revenge on a teacher she had as a child by making this characterization of him.
She may be passive agressive but she sounds more like a bit of a hypocite wanting to take revenge on someone.
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Date: 2010-12-14 12:55 am (UTC)Sound like anyone?
"He's just so MEEEAAAN!! He HATES me! It's so UNFAIR!"
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Date: 2010-12-14 02:40 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-12-14 03:04 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-12-15 06:36 pm (UTC)Being back in school now, I've also seen students upset that the teacher wouldn't let them message friends or use their cell phones during class, talk across the room to friends during class and argue with the teacher about BS stuff in class. One student even asked me if I didn't think the teacher was being so unfair for not letting her make cell phone calls about the upcoming funeral of a friend during class. As it happened, I didn't think the teacher was unfair in the least, which miffed this student to no end. The student was threatening to go to the department head about the teacher not allowing this oh!so absolutely necessary use of cell phone in class.
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Date: 2010-12-14 01:32 pm (UTC)Sound like anyone?
"He's just so MEEEAAAN!! He HATES me! It's so UNFAIR!"
Good point, maybe she should consider that her grades sucked because she wasn't very good in the class instead of considering the adult teacher 'revenge' worthy.
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Date: 2010-12-13 10:41 pm (UTC)