[identity profile] terri-testing.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] deathtocapslock
There’s something I entirely overlooked when I first considered Dumbledore’s choice of Hagrid as the WW’s emissary to Harry.

Hagrid told us that part of his happiness in accepting Dumbledore’s commission was that he had permission to use magic openly until he’d secured custody of Harry. And that he wasn’t supposed to use his (broken) wand after he’d done so.



Um.

Let’s back up and think about this, shall we?

Hagrid was expelled from Hogwarts, and his wand broken, when he was in his third year. For a serious crime (raising a class XXXXX magical beast and releasing it in a wizard-populated area) which would probably have netted him a long (life-long?) Azkaban sentence had he been older and adjudged competent.

Now, perhaps it might be the case that the Hogwarts headmaster has the authority to lift, at least temporarily, the interdiction on Hagrid performing magic. But it rather seems that Albus has not—we are given indications that Hagrid used his broken wand surreptitiously, to grow pumpkins and the like, but never once that he used it confident that he had leave to do so. And surely Hagrid’s blind adoration of Albus would have faltered if he knew that Albus was personally and persistently denying Hagrid the use of his wand, whatever other favors and signs of trust he might bestow.

So it seems probable that Albus has not the authority to give a wand-denied convicted criminal temporary permission to use a wand, even on Hogwarts grounds.

In which case Albus certainly had no authority to give such leave in the outside world. To give Hagrid permission to use his (broken) wand among (and against) Muggles!

Yet Hagrid had that permission when he arrived at the Hut-on-the-Rock. He had permission to use magic until he’d secured custody of Harry.

Who, then, gave him that permission?

Had to have been the Ministry, either Fudge or the appropriate under-secretary.

What did Albus say, to persuade the Ministry that a banned-from-using magic gamekeeper was the best choice to deliver the Hogwarts letter to the Boy-Who-Lived? That the Ministry must even go so far as to temporarily lift the ban on Hagrid’s using magic, to expedite that choice?

In my essay “The Keeper of the Keys,”
http://terri-testing.livejournal.com/14464.html#cutid

I speculated on Albus’s hidden reasons for wanting Harry Potter’s introduction to the WW to be made by Hagrid.

But the reasons adduced there were such as Albus could never admit openly to anyone in the WW. What did he say to his followers in the Order, to skeptics at the Ministry, to persuade them that Hagrid (not himself, not Minerva, not Fudge, not a Ministry committee) was the best, the only choice, as emissary and escort to Harry Potter?

Well. Let’s look at Hagrid from the eyes of the Ministry. Or, more precisely, from the mouth of someone reared by those who have the ears of the Ministry. What Draco Malfoy knows about Hagrid before he meets him is, “He’s a sort of servant, isn’t he? ...I heard he’s a sort of savage—lives in a hut on the school grounds and every now and then he gets drunk, tries to do magic, and ends up setting fire to his bed.”

Hagrid is also, of course, as huge as he is uncouth. Almost twice as tall as an adult man, and five times as wide. Terrifying when he’s in a temper, intimidating even when he’s not. Extremely conspicuous among Muggles.

Why would the Ministry want THAT to be the WW’s emissary to Harry Potter?

Or rather, why would they want that as their emissary to Harry Potter’s guardians? You know, the ones who haven’t let him answer his owls?

Those Muggles who had the inestimable privilege of rearing the Boy-Who-Lived as their own, and now apparently have the nerve to be trying to keep him from entering his proper world?

One could not find an ambassador better suited to push ALL of the Dursleys’ buttons. Blatantly, unmistakably a freak. A servant. A criminal. A savage. A drunk. And big enough to physically threaten Vernon without having to use magic.

I think Albus persuaded the Ministry to let him send Hagrid to, ah, persuade Harry Potter’s guardians to rethink their clear intention of keeping their ward well away from the Wizarding World, as a deliberate insult and affront to the Dursleys. The lowest servant at Hogwarts, the criminal expelled at age thirteen, can still force Muggles to accede to the Wizarding World’s will. They don’t deserve the honor of having their decisions set at naught by anyone higher placed.


One last thing. Anything known to the Ministry is also known to anyone who has spies—excuse me, connections—in the Ministry. If the Ministry knew Dumbledore was sending Hagrid as the escort to bring Harry Potter to the WW, so too did anyone else interested.

Like, you know, the former Death Eaters. Dumbledore was quite sure that some of the wizards currently protesting their unfaltering support for the Ministry had once been enthusiastic supporters of the WW’s most recent violent revolutionary…..

And he let them all know that Harry Potter would be visiting Diagon Alley on the thirty-first of July, escorted only by a wandless gamekeeper.

I say again,

Um.

Date: 2012-02-02 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danajsparks.livejournal.com
Hmmm... Unless the Ministry was actually keeping track of whether or not he was doing magic, Hagrid's "I was allowed ter do a bit" might just mean that Albus told him that, as long as he was careful, he could get away with doing some magic without getting caught.

Date: 2012-02-02 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nx74defiant.livejournal.com
My thoughts exactly. Dumbledores feeling regarding the rules, seems to be - if you don't get caught it is fine.

Date: 2012-02-02 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lynn-waterfall.livejournal.com
Equally, Dumbledore *might* have the authority to tell Hagrid whether or not he could use his wand, might not want Hagrid doing magic on a regular basis, and could have simply lied to Hagrid by telling him that the Ministry authorized to use his wand in this case.

Date: 2012-02-03 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
As far as the Ministry knows Hagrid doesn't have a wand, so there isn't much magic he should be able to do - probably limited to using pre-charmed objects.

Following his sheepish response to Ollivander in PS chapter 5 we guessed he probably had the pieces of his broken wand in his umbrella. But then in DH we see Harry attempting to use a broken wand. And we learn that Albus was in possession of the Elder Wand, one that has the capacity to mend a broken wand. Putting 2 and 2 together, Hagrid had a *mended* wand in his possession, illegally, without the Ministry's knowledge.

So - either Albus gave Hagrid implicit permission to use his secret, illegal wand or the Ministry allowed Hagrid to use magic in Muggle places thinking he would be using pre-charmed objects and not knowing he would be using a wand he was not supposed to be in possession of.

Date: 2012-02-03 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nx74defiant.livejournal.com
Given that Albus is the champion of withholding information, your idea works really well. He tells the Ministry Hargrid will need to use magic, letting them think he would be using pre-charmed objects. Then tells Hagrid he can use magic, but he needs to be careful, not mentioning that the Ministry does not know about the wand.

Date: 2012-02-03 10:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lynn-waterfall.livejournal.com
Although... do people in the WW need any kind of authorization to use charmed objects, or potions? I don't think that children's use of charmed objects is restricted, whether before Hogwarts or in the summer.

For instance, at the Quidditch World Cup in GoF we see two little girls flying on toy brooms. For that matter, in OotP after the Dementor attack, Harry was firmly told "DO NOT DO ANY MORE MAGIC," but then he flies from the Dursleys to Grimmauld Place on his broom. Using a broom apparently isn't a problem.

Similarly, although Mr. and Mrs. Weasley do enforce the no-wand-use rule at home (see Christmas in HBP, when the twins tease Ron and Harry for having to peel sprouts without magic), their children play Quidditch (with a charmed snitch as well as the brooms), and we hear that "small explosions from Fred and George’s bedroom were considered perfectly normal." We can't be *sure*, but the explosions are probably due to *something* magical, rather than something like nonmagical fireworks.

So, unless the use of charmed objects and potions is restricted in some way that I don't see evidence of, Dumbledore would have no reason to mention Hagrid's use of them to the Ministry, in any case.

Date: 2012-02-04 04:20 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
IOW it comes back to Dumbles saying 'do what it takes to get Harry to attend Hogwarts, just remember you aren't supposed to have a wand' or words to that effect.

BTW what happened to the Trace on Hagrid's wand when it was snapped? And apparently the repair of the wand did not reactivate the Trace.

Date: 2012-02-05 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danajsparks.livejournal.com
----As far as the Ministry knows Hagrid doesn't have a wand, so there isn't much magic he should be able to do...

I was thinking, at first, that this argument might not work because Ron used a broken wand for most of CoS. But I checked and saw that Ron's wand wasn't completely snapped. It was still hanging together "by a few splinters," and the core was possibly still intact. Plus, Ron's wand was broken near the tip, rather than near the center.

So, all of this is to say that, yes, the Ministry would have no reason to believe that Hagrid was able to do magic with a wand.

Date: 2012-02-02 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
And he let them all know that Harry Potter would be visiting Diagon Alley on the thirty-first of July, escorted only by a wandless gamekeeper.

I say again,

Um.


And indeed the entire Malfoy family was there. But we never saw the adults, they were so busy getting Draco his supplies. Or perhaps the family split three ways to increase the chances one of them got a glimpse of the Boy Who Lived, to get an idea how likely he was as the next Dark Lord, or whatever they expected him to turn out to be.

Date: 2012-02-05 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
Alas, thanks to the possibility Harry might be the next Dark Lord and their comfortable lives none of the free DEs were interested in that. BTW if Dumbly had been hoping for some DE attack on Harry then that rumor about Harry's Dark powers received no encouragement from him. I think Severus was encouraging it of his own initiative (though it must have started naturally without intervention).

Date: 2012-02-06 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
You know, this isn't the only time Hagrid is selected by Albus as Harry's security escort. The other time is in HBP - the trio and Ginny are accompanied by Arthur, Molly and Hagrid in Diagon Alley. Hagrid claims Albus preferred him to a team of Aurors. At a time when the war was officially on and Bellatrix was free (though evading the law) and DEs have conducted 2 successful attacks in that shopping district. Yet Albus was planning on keeping Harry alive for a while to search for Horcruxes.

Date: 2012-02-24 08:56 am (UTC)
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