[identity profile] sweettalkeress.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] deathtocapslock

So, as I've been doing my Goblet of Fire parodies, I've lately been wondering about the school that Krum attends, Durmstrang. Since Rowling has not been forthcoming regarding information about Durmstrang (that I am aware of), I thought I'd write this little article to try and make sense of it.



What we know:

-Durmstrang is one of the three biggest wizarding schools in Europe

-A Bulgarian Quidditch player named Viktor Krum is a student there

-Its headmaster is of Slavic background, and at least some portion of its student body is as well

-Its uniforms require furs. Hermione makes the conjecture that Durmstrang is far north

Poking around a bit on the Harry Potter wiki (yes, there's a wiki), I discovered a bit more info: apparently, Durmstrang is located in Norway or Sweden and its name is German. And this is where Rowling begins to lose me.

See, Bulgaria is actually pretty damn far from anyplace in Scandinavia. It's in the southeastern corner of Europe, bordered by Greece, Romania, and Turkey. Actually, if I consult my child's globe it seems as though the Bulgarian capital, Sofia, is almost directly south of the convergence point between Norway, Sweden, and Finland; but it's still a pretty far journey. So, in a way it seems as though someone like Krum would be the equivalent of a Chinese student studying at Harvard, or something: maybe he's going there for the prestige of the place, which makes the long distance he'd need to travel worth it. And since he's probably got portkeys and things, it wouldn't actually be much of a hassle to get there.

Except that from what Rowling shows us, all the named Durmstrang associates (including the headmaster!) are from Bulgaria, or at least another Slavic country. So what about Karkaroff? You would think that the headmaster of a school set in Scandinavia would actually be from Scandinavia (granted, I suppose you could make the case that Karkaroff might have simply been of Russian/Bulgarian heritage but born and bred in Scandinavia. That may be a stretch, however). I had originally posited that Durmstrang would be in Siberia, which would explain Karkaroff, if nothing else.

And as for the students, well, to be fair, we only get the names of two students, and so it's probably safe to assume that there are others that are more local to the school. And it's also fairly safe to assume that Durmstrang attracts a wide international crowd, since Draco had considered the possibility of going there (why Hogwarts doesn't attract more people from the continent, since it's treated as being so much larger and more glorious than Durmstrang, is not explained).

And what about the name Durmstrang? Why does a school in the north of Scandinavia have a German name? The odds that a Swedish or Norwegian name could just happen to sound like a German name are slim to none considering that although Swedish and Norwegian are Germanic languages, they're actually not all that closely related to German. German is a West Germanic language (much like English) while Swedish and Norwegian are North Germanic languages and thus more closely related to Icelandic than a language like German.

Again, there may be a logical explanation. Maybe German wizards have an empire over the continent that makes the German language a standard thing, in the same way the English language is dominant over most of the nonmagical world. For one thing, it'd go a long way toward explaining how Durmstrang could host an international crowd: it seems unlikely that a language like Swedish or Norwegian could be the standard language spoken, but German might be more widespread. Maybe Durmstrang has a whole set of classes designed to start the kids learning German young, so they can blend in with the German-centric international wizarding business world.



Well, it makes more sense than the picture Rowling gave us, anyway....

Date: 2012-07-30 08:43 pm (UTC)
sunnyskywalker: Young Beru Lars from Attack of the Clones; text "Sunnyskywalker" (Uhura)
From: [personal profile] sunnyskywalker
I know German was the international language of medicine before WWII (at least one American doctor I know learned it for that reason), and I think it was useful for philosophers as well. Perhaps German stuck as one of the major "international" languages of academia in the ww, at least on the continent? If there was a wizarding East Germany which was a major power (a lot of ifs), that might have contributed to keeping the language prominent as well.

Date: 2012-07-30 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
Also there was a time when Tsarist Russia imported its cultural elite from Germany. There may have been a wizarding equivalent.

Date: 2012-07-31 08:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mooselord.livejournal.com
But that does not change the fact, that Durmstrang is no german word.
The word 'strang' exists as trace, rope, strand etc.
'Tod durch den Strang' means Death by hanging...
The Word 'Durm' however does not exist.
As said above, it could be a distortion of Sturm + Drang, but who knows?
'Turm' = 'Tower' but that's another story.

Date: 2012-07-31 08:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snapes-witch.livejournal.com
As said above, it could be a distortion of Sturm + Drang, but who knows?

That does sound like something JKR would do.

Date: 2012-08-03 03:45 pm (UTC)
sunnyskywalker: Young Beru Lars from Attack of the Clones; text "Sunnyskywalker" (Uhura)
From: [personal profile] sunnyskywalker
Yeah, I suspect that is where she got the name.

For the Doylist version... uh... maybe there was a guy named Durm once who got hanged there, and they eventually built a school at the magically haunted location? Or... wizarding linguistic drift? Wizarding slang?

She doesn't make it easy for us!

Date: 2012-08-03 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danajsparks.livejournal.com
I haven't found a good explanation for where "Durm" comes from, yet, but "strang" could mean strong. The Old High German "strangi," the Old Saxon and the Old English "strang," and the Old Norse "strangr" all mean strong,

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