A Prejudiced Examination of Dumble’s First End-of-book Exposition

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I recently wrote a fiction based on the end of PS, which required me to look very closely indeed at Albus’s first end-of-book exposition to Harry. This started as author’s notes to that story, but I reworked it because I think a close reading is of more general interest than just to those who read my fictions.

We’ve talked here and on Snapedom about how Twinkles deliberately misled Harry in this first debriefing about Snape’s true reasons for protecting Harry and about Harry’s father (and Snape’s relationship with James).

But I’ve not seen anyone explore at length whether Dumbles was deliberately misleading Harry on other matters. And he was.




**

In the debriefing scene in the Hospital Ward, Albus made exactly one statement that could be checked directly against the previous text, i.e. Harry’s own experience of what was happening:

“I arrived just in time to pull Quirrell off you—”

“It was you.”

“I feared I might be too late.”

“You nearly were, I couldn’t have kept him off the Stone much longer—”

“Not the Stone, boy, you—the effort involved nearly killed you.”


Harry took this to mean that his last memory, of hearing someone calling and feeling Quirrell’s arm being “wrenched from his grasp,” was of Dumbledore rescuing him and the Stone from Quirrell.

Only, it hadn’t been Quirrell holding onto Harry; it had been Harry desperately clinging to Quirrell. Here’s what actually happened:

Harry jumped to his feet, caught Quirrell by the arm, and hung on as tight as he could. Quirrell screamed and tried to throw Harry off—the pain in Harry’s head was building—he couldn’t see—he could only hear Quirrell’s terrible shrieks and Voldemort’s yells of, “KILL HIM! KILL HIM” and other voices, maybe in Harry’s own head, crying, “Harry! Harry!”

He felt Quirrell’s arm wrenched from his grasp, knew all was lost, and fell into blackness, down… down… down…


So if Dumbledore had been responsible for wrenching Quirrell’s arm from Harry’s grasp, he had been rescuing Quirrell—or trying to—from being burnt alive by Lily’s Love™, not rescuing Harry. At the last moment that Harry was conscious, it was Harry who was the aggressor deliberately causing his foe unbearable agony and grievous bodily harm—Quirrell was merely struggling to escape.

Of course, it could indeed be the case that Twinkles realized that “the effort involved nearly killed” Harry as well as Harry’s victim, and intervened to save the boy’s life, not the man’s.

But if so, Dumbledore would more accurately be said to have pulled Quirrell away from Harry, not off him. Or to have pulled Harry off Quirrell. Claiming you pulled someone off another, A off B, indicates that the first, A, was the aggressor attacking B.

Only it was Quirrell who was shrieking terribly and trying to throw Harry “off.”

Twinkle’s claim to have pulled Quirrell off Harry, if Albus were indeed responsible for pulling Quirrell’s arm out of Harry’s grasp, would then have been a misdirection intended to imply that Quirrell had been the attacker responsible for Harry’s injuries and [almost] death, not Harry the agent of Quirrell’s actual death in agony.

*

Now it could instead have been the case that Harry fainted when Quirrell wrenched himself free of Harry’s grasp, that Quirrell recovered enough to search for the Stone and to attack Harry again, and that Dumbledore did indeed enter just in time to stop the villain in the act. (Making Albus quite possibly his employee’s killer.)

In which case Twinkles was misleading Harry slightly by letting him think that the last thing Harry remembered was his rescue by Albus the Great; the actual rescue would have come later, after Harry was fully unconscious.

But in that scenario, the very last thing Quirrell would have done would have been to touch Harry physically again, to need to be pulled off him. Not after the lesson Q. had just had. He wouldn’t have been throttling the boy with one hand and rifling his pockets with the other—he’d have tried a nice, safe (Quirrell thought) Accio and Avada Kedavra.

Or maybe Tom would actually have been bright enough to remember the last time he’d directed the Killing Curse against Harry, and also that the broom-jinx had worked without rebounding on its caster, and put two and two together. In which case Quirrell!mort might have just dropped several tons of ceiling on the boy after he’d secured the Stone to himself.

But either way, Dumbledore would not have stopped him by “pulling him off” Harry.


So the one verifiable statement Dumbles made, “I arrived just in time to pull Quirrell off you—” was false. Which must make his other statements automatically suspect.

*

Let’s look at Albus’s other direct statements about what happened that night.

“Very well, the Stone. Professor Quirrell did not manage to take it from you. I arrived in time to prevent that…”

This might be true, but if so it wasn’t done by “pulling Quirrell off Harry.” It could have been done by immobilizing Quirrell, by killing Quirrell, or by destroying the Stone before Tom could abscond with it.

Or it might have been unnecessary, because Quirrell was already dead or dying (killed by Harry) and Tom as Vapor!mort couldn’t seize it.

All we can know for certain is that, whatever really did happen, Dumbledore didn’t want Harry to know the truth about it.

Minor diversion here: had Harry not obligingly removed the Stone from the Mirror, could Quirrell or Tom ever have done so? Or was the original plan, the one for which the Flamels loaned their Stone, to trap Voldemort and/or his agent before a Mirror which showed them getting exactly what they wanted most, while holding the reality perpetually out of reach?

*

“—the effort involved nearly killed you. For one terrible moment there, I was afraid it had.”

Probably true, except for the part about the moment of thinking Harry and Tom to have died together having been “terrible” to Twinkles. Indeed, it seems Dumbles still “was afraid” that Harry might be killed by his “effort” long after that “one terrible moment.”

We have Hermione’s testimony on that. “Oh, Harry, we were sure you were going to—Dumbledore was so worried—“

So the ever-knowledgeable Miss Granger had thought Harry to have been in danger of dying, and she was given to think that by Dumbledore AFTER he’d examined Harry’s unconscious but living body and brought him out of the trap to deliver him to Madam Pomfrey’s care. Further, that impression was not contradicted by any other adult.

Hermione’s reaction and words, that “we were sure—,” suggests a belief that endured for some period of time, not a transient fear that was quickly quelled by the brisk reassurance, “Harry will be just fine, Miss Granger. He’ll sleep for a few days while he recovers from his ordeal, but after that he’ll be right as rain.”

Madam Pomfrey’s being such a dragon about letting even the headmaster or Harry’s best friends visit also suggests still-lingering fear on her part. Contrast her ease, one month earlier, about letting in Draco to visit Ron during his three-plus day sojourn (the same time to recover, or more, as Harry here), or letting Harry’s Quidditch team visit in PoA after Harry had succumbed to Dementor-influence and knocked himself unconscious falling from his broom.

Indeed, Hermione’s “Dumbledore was so worried--” rather strongly suggests that Twinkles was, in fact, broadcasting on all bands to Harry’s fans that the valiant attempt to protect the Stone might have doomed the brave child.

Either our omniscient Albus was a damned poor diagnostician, or someone had intervened to save Harry when Albus and Poppy hadn’t fully credited that it could be done.


*

“As for the Stone, it has been destroyed.”

This is really the key statement. WHAT a weaseling way of putting it! Mary Daly wrote in Gyn/Ecology about how academics can use abstract language and the passive voice (in the guise of being objective) to distance themselves and their readers from horrors they don’t want fully to acknowledge as such or assign criminal responsibility for.

The Stone has been destroyed?

By whom, how, when, and for what reason? And why did Dumbledore want Harry (and us) not to know exactly what had happened?

Dumbledore suggested strongly to Harry that “the destruction” had been done with the Flamels’ full consent and was no very great loss to them anyway. He nattered on philosophically about “the next great adventure” and established to his own satisfaction, if not Ron’s or ours, that “the Stone was really not such a wonderful thing.”

Back when I first read PS, when I still saw Twinkles as a wise, beneficent, and trustworthy character, I assumed that either Nicholas and Perenelle had destroyed the Stone themselves, or that Dumbledore had done so on their explicit orders, after their “little chat” about the matter. I assumed further that they had decided to do so because of how close the Stone had come to falling into Voldemort’s grasp; better to die themselves than risk someone like the Dark Lord ever getting hold of it.

So the only actual connection between the Stone’s destruction and little Harry’s adventure was that the latter brought vividly to the Flamels’ minds the danger the very existence of the Stone posed to the WW. If it weren’t destroyed, sooner or later some Dark Lord who coveted immortality would steal and misuse it….

And this is still a possible interpretation. However, it seems to me that Albus protests too much. Look at what he tells Harry when Harry recoils in horror at the news:

“But that means he and his wife will die, won’t they?”

“They have enough Elixir stored to set their affairs in order and then, yes, they will die.”

Dumbledore smiled at the look of amazement on Harry’s face.

“To one as young as you, I’m sure it seems incredible, but to Nicolas and Perenelle, it really is like going to bed after a very, very long day. After all, to the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure. You know, the Stone was really not such a wonderful thing….”

Harry lay there, lost for words. Dumbledore hummed a little and smiled at the ceiling.

Okay, death of Socrates and all that. But while Socrates was stoic (oops, wrong school!) about his impending death, Socrates’ friends were not all so accepting. Where’s Dumbledore’s decent grief over the loss of his partner? It’s one thing to be philosophical about one’s own demise, but the imminent death of a friend should call forth some reaction besides humming and smiling.

Oh wait, this is Twinkles, whose reaction to his young disciples’ tragic murders was to go about chuckling, his eyes sparkling, until reminded by Minerva’s outburst of grief to assume a decorous gravity.


But even so, if the Flamels destroyed the Stone themselves or directly ordered Albus to do so, why didn’t Albus just say so, instead of weaseling about suggesting as much without stating it?


And after all, it’s noticeable that the Flamels and their presumed agent hadn’t simply initially destroyed the Stone to keep it out of Voldemort’s hands. They hadn’t just baited the trap-Mirror with a fake (or with the mere rumor that the Stone could be found there, if one could reach it). If they were willing to die rather than let the Stone fall into a Dark Lord’s hands (and why is the current one more of a danger than the last six?), why wait to destroy it UNTIL THE IMMEDIATE DANGER WAS PAST? What sense does it make to destroy it then?

So it rather seems that the Flamels did originally hope and expect to get their Stone back and to enjoy another 600 years of life.

And the little Dumbledore reported about his actual conversation with Nicolas rather suggests that the Flamels accepted (if they did accept) a fait accompli presented to them by their protégé Albus: “Well, Nicolas and I have had a little chat, and agreed it’s all for the best.”

We agreed that it’s all for the best.

As in, it’s too late to kick up a fuss after the fact, and you two—who’ve already had 500 years more of life than any of the rest of us—will just look churlish if you try. There’s nothing, after all, to be done about the matter now—we can’t get it back. It’s all for the greater good, anyhow—you agreed to take this risk. Hadn’t you better start putting your affairs in order?


When I put my mind to it, I can think of several excellent reasons why Twinkles might not want Harry to know exactly how, when, by whom, and why the Stone “has been destroyed.”

Indeed, I can come up with a number of mutually exclusive scenarios, each more plausible than “The Flamels decided to destroy the Stone the moment they knew it was no longer in immediate danger of being stolen, having coincidentally also just decided that six hundred and sixty-six years of life would be one too many.”

The first scenario, of course, is that the Flamels DID destroy the Stone as soon as they realized it had become a target for someone of Tom’s particular abilities and ambitions. They brewed up some Elixir to store, made a big public display of moving the Stone, and destroyed it in utter secrecy, baiting Albus’s trap with a fake.

In which case gallant little Harry risked his life for absolutely nothing, and he might have felt very foolish if he ever found out. Harry might, indeed, have been deterred from flinging himself headlong at the next life-threatening crisis if he’d been embarrassed in such a manner. Albus would certainly not want THAT.

The second reason Albus might want to hide from Harry exactly what had happened was if the Stone’s destruction was actually Harry’s fault. I can think of several ways this might work, going back to the fact that neither Quirrell nor Tom had found a way to remove the Stone from the Mirror. But Harry did.

So what if Harry had crushed the thing in his pocket when he collapsed on top of it? (Shades of the Prophecy globe.) Or if Quirrell did, thrashing in his death throes? Or what if Tom managed to destroy it in pique when he realized he couldn’t obtain it? Or, even, what if Dumbledore had run up and seen Quirrell reaching into Harry’s pocket, and blasted the Stone in a panic, to keep Tom from getting it? Either way, the Stone’s destruction—and the Flamels’ consequent deaths—would be Harry’s fault. His well-meaning attempt to save the Stone by removing it from the Mirror resulted in its destruction. (A nice parallel to book 5, where his well-meaning attempt to save Sirius resulted directly in Sirius’s death.)

The third reason why Albus might want to hide exactly what had happened to the Stone is if it was Albus who had made the decision to destroy it. Unilaterally. For the Greater Good, of course, because wiser-than-thou Albus felt that so close a call indicated that the continued existence of the Stone posed a long-term threat to the Wizarding community. Or, alternatively, for less palatable reasons (one of which I imagined in my fic).

At which point Albus’s lack of grief over his (senior) partner’s impending demise might even look a little sinister. Cui bono, where the Flamels’ deaths are concerned?

At the very least, Albus will no longer be pointed out as the less-than-best living alchemist.

Technically, destroying the Stone would count as assisted suicide if ordered by the Flamels and as murder if done deliberately at anyone else’s whim (like a nurse deliberately withholding life-supporting medication from a patient). I doubt that purely accidental destruction would be classed as manslaughter, however, if not done in commission of another crime. (Accidentally crushing someone’s Epi-pen while fumbling to get it out, versus doing so incidental to a mugging.) At any rate, I shouldn’t imagine any Wizarding court would try The Boy Who Lived for his tragic error. If that’s how the tragedy happened. But better not to risk it….

Anyone want to come up with other reasons why Albus should want to conceal the exact circumstances of the Stone’s destruction?

*

Finally, what about Twinkles’ statement, “He [Voldemort] left Quirrell to die; he shows just as little mercy to his followers as his enemies.”?

More weaseling. How, exactly, did Quirrell die, and why doesn’t Albus want Harry to know?

Well, that one’s probably easy, isn’t it?

(Only, if killing rends the soul and only remorse can heal it, keeping the killer in ignorance of his crime means his soul can never be healed. Right? Shouldn’t Dumbledore worry about that?)

(I mean, if I assaulted someone and s/he died a week later of the injuries, my crime would be officially reclassified from assault to murder. But if I hadn’t been caught and didn’t catch the news, I might not know that I’d become a murderer. Yet I still would be, whether or not I realized it, and if caught I’d be tried as such. And surely, morally I was before I knew it?)

Moreover, how on earth could Quirrell’s death have illustrated the maxim (which, oddly enough given that the source is Albus, seems to be true) that Tom showed as little mercy to his followers as his enemies?

It might perhaps be inferred from Dumbledore’s words that it was the shock of Tom’s leaving, his dis-possession, that actually finished Quirinus. But the phrasing more strongly suggests that Tom could perfectly well have saved his injured follower, but instead selfishly abandoned him and fled.

Presumably, fled from Dumbledore, the coward and—compared to Dumbledore—weakling. Pause for the audience to sneer in contempt at how poorly Voldemort measures up to Albus.

Er, since we’ve stopped to sneer, let’s also stop to get this straight. Tom could easily have saved Quirrell if he’d chosen to, but the merciful and more-powerful Dumbledore could not have? Because surely Albus WOULD have saved the misguided young man if he could have, even though Quirrell was unworthy of his mercy.

Wouldn’t he have?

But anyway, we are assured that the death was no one’s fault, in the end, but Voldemort’s. Who mercilessly left his own follower to die.

That Quirinus had been killed, by either Harry or Albus, and Tom forcibly made discorporate again by the murder of his host—nah, those are the only scenarios we can conclusively rule out on the strength of Albus’s testimony.

No killers in that chamber but Lord Voldemort and his follower! Just ask Albus.

Comments

[hwyla.livejournal.com]

I must admit that the part I found most unbelievable was that the Flamels only had such a small amount of elixir on hand. One would think that IF the Stone HAD been in such danger of being stolen at Gringotts, then wouldn't the Flamels have immediately made up an extra large backstock of the elixir - just in case?

And since Hagrid had access to the Gringotts vault with merely a letter from Albus, then did the vault belong to Hogwarts or Flamel? I do wonder whether Flamel gave permission for the Stone to go to Hogwarts or not? Or had there been rumors earlier that it might be stolen which resulted in the Stone going to Gringotts in the first place?

[hwyla.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure that was clear - in other words IF the Flamels truly thought that the Stone was at risk, wouldn't they make enough elixir to allow them time to make another Stone?

[oryx_leucoryx]

But that would depend on how fast one can make the elixir. How long does it take to make a year's worth?

[nx74defiant.livejournal.com]

Or perhaps the Flamels are already dead? The made Dumbledore their executor, with instructions to have the stone destroyed.

[hwyla.livejournal.com]

The Stone is notoriously difficult to make on it's own. I would not necessarily think the elixir that comes from it takes a long time. Of course no one would have any idea except the Flamels - however, IF it does take a long time then it is even more likely that they would have a large backup supply. After all, they were using it for around 600 years. They would be well aware just how long it takes and be careful to not be caught short.

If nothing else, once the Stone was at Hogwarts, there wasn't any reason why the Flamels could not set up a lab at the end of the Gauntlet down the 3rd floor corridor and brew more there during the school year. As long as they were well hidden from the children (and Quirrel) so no rumors of the Stone's location might come about.

You know, for that matter they could have lived down there under Fidelius with the Stone hidden away with them and Albus as the SK - IF the reason for the Stone's protection had truly been a fear it might be stolen. In other words, Albus always intended it to be a test for Harry. It was never meant to be safely kept from Voldy.

So, I do not see why the Flamels hadn't made a 20 or 50-yr supply of the elixir. The main 'realistic' reason I can come up with would be that the elixir does store well. That it only has a year (or so) shelf life.

[oryx_leucoryx]

Actually I'm sure it was a trap for Voldie, not a way to keep the Stone from him. Dumbles let Quirrell be part of the 'guard' team even after he suspected him. Dumbles was planning to do *something* once Quirrell finally took the bait. Severus' role was to appear as a competitor (who is also pretending to protect the Stone) in order to get Quirrell to make his move already. Sending Harry in was a bonus, but Albus' plan did not rely on Harry being around.

[charlottehywd.livejournal.com]

The fact that DD wanted to trap Voldemort in a school filled with children who probably couldn't defend themselves is pretty disturbing, isn't it?

[nx74defiant.livejournal.com]

DD really doesn't care about the safety of the students does he?

[condwiramurs.livejournal.com]

He sent a full *half* of the student population into the dungeons, led only by prefects, when he knew there was a troll rampaging down there in PS/SS. Either he's completely missing his basic logic function, or he genuinely doesn't care about Hufflepuffs and Slytherins, at the least. I mean, I know the WW is pretty fucked up about putting kids in danger, but I think that the parents of those students at least might care that their children were sent into the path of a troll.

[oryx_leucoryx]

Continuing the thought: Of all the traps, Severus' was unique in allowing only one person in at a time (by having the correct potion to go forward be the one in the smallest self-filling container). I bet Dumbles had an alarm triggered by crossing into the mirror's room. I'm also sure Quirrell tried the gauntlet multiple times since learning of Fluffy's secret around Easter. I'm guessing his biggest problems were the chess game and the potions riddle. So between getting whacked on the head (Voldie's face) and getting poisoned repeatedly Quirrell needed unicorn blood to keep going. And this was why Quirrell was begging Voldie 'not again, please' (when Harry overhears him). The night Harry went down was the first time Quirrell got all the way to the mirror, but not for lack of trying.

Albus of course knew much of that, because Hagrid got the dragon egg in Aberforth's pub, and Albus knew why Quirrell would need unicorn blood. Yet added no other protections to the Stone. Because he meant for Quirrell to reach the mirror. And if Quirrell had reached the mirror before Harry worked it out Albus' plan A (whatever it was) would have been set in motion.

But if Harry also went down - all the better. Voldie might have even killed him and destroyed the Horcrux.

I'm sure that what really caught Albus' attention when he got to the mirror was that he saw Harry and Voldie each 'at the hand of the other' - it must have looked literally like the prophecy was going to come true that night.

[hwyla.livejournal.com]

I LOVE the idea of the back of Quirrel's head getting repeatedly bonked in the chess game! And repeated poisonings eventually requiring the unicorn blood. I suppose I had not thought Quirrel went more than once. I think I was mainly basing that on the winged key. However, there really isn't a reason for the wings to be so crumpled on just one capture - but with many...yes the key's wings would surely look worse for wear.

And yes, multiple tries would end in multiple poisonings. Neither Quirrel nor Voldy appear too logical. IF Voldy had much logic, his plans would have been better.

However, I wasn't meaning that the purpose of it all was really to protect the Stone. I only meant that the fact that the Stone was NOT hidden with an additional Fidelus PROVES that it wasn't the 'safety' of the Stone that was of prime importance.

And that means that it might just really need to be destroyed at the end to prevent it's theft. Hence the reason I question why the Flamels didn't have a very large supply of the Elixir made from the start. The fact that they did not somewhat suggests to me Albus made it seem an emergency when he really planned the whole thing from the start.

[oryx_leucoryx]

I started thinking along that path when I wondered what was Quirrell doing all those months since Easter, why he waited until late June. Unless he didn't.

Rowling felt the need to stretch her thin plots over an entire school year, which makes characters with motivation and means to act do nothing for months. I have to come up with something for them to do to fill the time.

[oryx_leucoryx]

Just checked the Lexicon timeline - Harry overheard Quirrell begging, then the night of the next day Quirrell was drinking unicorn blood, and according to PS it was the second unicorn killed in a week. No mention of how many unicorns were killed in previous weeks. So did Quirrell drag himself from the dungeon to the forest, or was he drinking unicorn blood as a precaution before braving the dungeon once more?

[hwyla.livejournal.com]

See, previously, I thought Quirrell was merely pleading to not have to drink more unicorn blood at all. My quess would be that he needed the blood BEFORE facing the 'gauntlet' again. I cannot imagine dragging oneself out there while poisoned (possibly with a concussion).

However, alternatively, I suppose that if one took a bezoar with one to the potion test, one would be able to still go to the Forest. Although, I am puzzled as to how Quirrel managed to figure the correct bottle to go BACK after already poisoning himself? I suppose as long as you took enough bezoars along you could probably drink from every bottle without the need for logic. Or would poisoning oneself more than once, even with a bezoar at hand, just weaken one so much to need the unicorn blood. But if you're that weak, how do you get to the forest?

Since he was never found lying in front of the bottles AND he actually had to knock out the troll (as opposed to ordering it to let him by since he 'had a way with trolls') I'm going to suppose that the night Harry went after him is actually the first time Quirrel got to the bottles. So, I guess he was better at logic than I would suppose. That means that IF he was being weakened by repeated attempts, then it was the Chess Game that gave him the hardest time.

Despite my wish that it had been Snape's test, I suppose that worked out well for Snape in Yr4 when he had to return to spying. I don't suppose it would have been very nice to return to a not only suspicious Voldy, but one who would also be a bit peeved over repeated poisonings.

[hwyla.livejournal.com]

Correction - I suppose there's no reason why Quirrell could not have repeatedly knocked out the troll each time either. Altho' I would think that would make the troll angrier every time you face him.

[charlottehywd.livejournal.com]

Wait, but if that's the case, doesn't it make Quirrell seem really incompetent if he kept being held back by traps that a few children were able to pass on the first go?

[oryx_leucoryx]

All it means is he wasn't as good at chess as Ron. (Assuming Ron's victory was a reflection of his typical ability.) Many people are brilliant in many areas but don't play chess.

[charlottehywd.livejournal.com]

Well, that may be true, but you would think that if he were to practice by playing against other professors or students that it would give him a higher chance of winning.

Also, I rather wondered what happened to the competent Ron of the first book. I guess he just couldn't be allowed to compete with the hero.