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deathtocapslockOr, Severus Snape and the Only Pure Thing
Matthew 10:16: “Behold, I am sending you as lambs among wolves; be therefore crafty as snakes and innocent as doves.”
Because Snape’s life sucks so much, the theme song for this installment is another work by Nine Inch Nails, written by Trent Reznor. It’s called “Ruiner,” and it makes a superb theme song for Dumbledore. The end of it also serendipitously foreshadows my conclusion to this installment.
Don’t even try to listen to this song without looking at the lyrics. It’s mixed in such a way that it’s usually impossible to tell what’s being sung without knowing what the words are.
You had all of them on your side, didn’t you? Didn’t you?
You believed in all your lies, didn’t you? Didn’t you?
The ruiner’s got a lot to prove, he’s got nothing to lose, and now he made you believe.
The ruiner’s your only friend, well, he’s the living end to the cattle he deceives.
The raping of the innocent, you know the ruiner ruins everything he sees.
Now the only pure thing left in my fucking world is wearing your disease!
How’d you get so big?
How’d you get so strong?
How’d it get so hard?
How’d it get so long?
You had to give them all a sign, didn’t you? (Didn’t you?) Didn’t you?
You had to covet what was mine, didn’t you? (Didn’t you?) Didn’t you?
The ruiner’s a collector, he’s an infector, serving his shit to his flies.
Maybe there will come a day when those that you keep blind will suddenly realize.
Maybe it’s a part of me you took it to a place I hoped it would never go.
And maybe that fucked me up much more than you’ll ever know.
How’d you get so big?
How’d you get so strong?
How’d it get so hard?
How’d it get so long?
And what you gave to me:
My perfect ring of scars.
You know I can see what you really are.
You didn’t hurt me, nothing can hurt me.
You didn’t hurt me, nothing can stop me now.
(Repeat four times)
You didn’t hurt me, nothing can hurt me.
You didn’t hurt me, nothing can stop
This installment contains one particular sentence I imagine will make the Snape-haters’ heads explode. See if you can figure out which one it is. *cackles fiendishly*
Scummywhore browbeats Snape into living for Harry, in part by harping on the baby’s having green eyes like Lily’s. So what? Just because Harry’s eyes are the same color as Lily’s doesn’t make Lily any less dead. I really don’t get this sick obsession with Lily’s eyes. Lots of people have green eyes. If they were brown, gray, or blue, would that make a difference? Come to think of it, the only way this could be creepier is if she’d had “twinkling blue eyes” like Scummywhore’s. Then there’d be a kind of semi-incestuous angle to this nonsense, too. *shudder*
I actually don’t blame Snape for not wanting his motivation for protecting Harry to be publicly advertised, considering the reason for it: “I’m such a loser, I’ve thrown my life away and allowed myself to be eternally enslaved by a ruthless old scumbag just because of the memory of a dead girl who dumped me when we were teenagers.” I mean, how pathetic is that? The fact this makes no sense and therefore cannot be what’s really going on is another ugly truth that’s never acknowledged.
We get several more conversations in which Scummywhore demeans Severus and jerks him around. In the first, Snape tries to tell Dumbledore what a brat Harry is and gets virtually ignored for his trouble. Dumbledore doesn’t even bother to look up from his magazine when he tells Severus to (metaphorically) jump in the Black Lake. In the second conversation is the notorious “sort too soon” remark.
Next we see Dumbassbore after he’s poisoned himself with the cursed ring. He gives Severus what may be the only pure compliment the younger man gets in all of these scenes: “I am fortunate, extremely fortunate, that I have you, Severus.” On the other hand, it may be a setup because later in this scene, Dumbledore bullies Snape into agreeing to kill him.
The bullying continues in the next scene, when the two are walking on the grounds together. Dumbledore is still refusing to confide in Snape while also still pressuring him into killing Dumbledore. The old man makes another remark that proves Rowling is a fan of A Christmas Story when he says that for Voldemort, close contact with Harry’s soul is “Like a tongue on frozen steel, like flesh in flame--” That is clearly a reference to the most famous scene in that movie, when Schwartz is “triple dog dared” into touching his tongue to a frozen flagpole, and it sticks. In 2012 I saw a Christmas T-shirt with a close-up of that scene on it, and this year I saw a set of collector glasses, one of which also portrayed that scene.
Dumbledore finally admits he’s not telling Severus everything, and tells the younger man to come to his office for the full dirt on his plans. This is when Severus finds out Harry is to die.
I summarized these scenes because I want to extract from them specific bits of dialogue that show a very ugly pattern in Dumbledore’s communication style. When I quote the conversations, I will use only the lines relevant to my point, since this installment is long enough already.
What is being illustrated in the quotations below is a kind of verbally and emotionally abusive communication that is usually called double bind or impossible bind, but my favorite term for it is another phrase: crazy-making, because at one time there was a theory that such twisted family communication patterns caused schizophrenia. While that is no longer believed, dealing with someone who talks like this can certainly make the listener feel crazy--not to mention homicidal at being jerked around so mercilessly.
Below are two definitions of the term double bind.
Double Bind
From Changing Minds.org
A double bind is a situation where a person has a choice (typically between two options), but whichever way they choose, they lose out, often with the same result.
Usually in the double bind there is no alternative, as the person is forced to choose and does not have the luxury of not choosing (this would be a third choice that could well be preferable).
A situation in which option A and its alternative, option B, both have considerable disadvantages
Psychiatry: An interpersonal dilemma in which a person is presented with mutually contradictory messages by another person, usually one who is respected by, or who has authority over, the person receiving the ‘mixed message.’
For those interested in a longer dissection of Double Bind Communication, there is this pdf.
Conversation 1: “We sort too soon.”
Snape: Karkaroff’s Mark is becoming darker too...[He] intends to flee if the Mark burns.
Dumbledore: And are you tempted to join him?
Snape: No. I am not such a coward.
Dumbledore: No. You are a braver man by far than Igor Karkaroff. You know, I sometimes think we Sort too soon....
He walked away, leaving Snape looking stricken.
In Conversation 1 (C1), Scummywhore baits Snape by implying he may be a coward. When Snape gives the only appropriate response, Scummy first compliments the younger man’s courage. Then he snatches the compliment away by implying the only reason Snape has guts is because he’s not a true representative of House Slytherin; he really belongs in (presumably) Slytherin’s rival house, Gryffindor, the house of the people who hate Slytherins and who have tortured and terrorized him since he was 11. So Snape has a choice: accept the compliment and admit his entire life has been a lie, or refuse it and be a cowardly snake. Either way he loses.
This also illustrates what I call bait and switch communication. “Bait and switch” is a sales technique that used to be prevalent but is now illegal in all 50 of the United States. In it, a product would be advertised at a ridiculously cheap price. When customers came into the store to buy the product, they’d be told, “Oh, I’m so sorry, we just sold the last one. But we have this similar item that costs just a little more.” In truth, the store either never had the “sale” item at all, or intentionally had far too few of them to satisfy demand. The real purpose of the ad was to “bait” customers into entering the store, then “switch” them to a more expensive product with a bigger profit margin.
In the same way, Scummywhore in C1 is “baiting” Snape by giving him a compliment, then “switching” him by saying the compliment wasn’t real. No wonder poor Snape looks stricken. He finally gets a compliment from this cruel, hateful man who loves to torment him, but immediately finds out the “compliment” was really an insult in disguise.
Conversation 2: “I want to you kill me.”
Snape: If you don’t mind dying, why not let Draco do it?
Dumbledore: That boy’s soul is not yet so damaged. I would not have it ripped apart on my account.
Snape: And my soul, Dumbledore? Mine?
Dumbledore: You alone know whether it will harm your soul to help an old man avoid pain and humiliation. I ask this one great favor of you, Severus, because death is coming for me...I confess I should prefer a quick, painless exit to the protracted and messy affair it will be, if, for instance, Greyback is involved...Or dear Bellatrix, who likes to play with her food before she eats it.
In Conversation 2, Scummywhore says he doesn’t want Draco to damage his soul by committing murder because he’s just a kid. The implication is that if one commits premeditated murder, the murderer’s soul is damaged. Period. When Snape confronts Scummy, in effect saying, “So my soul doesn’t matter to you,” Scummy implicitly contradicts what he’s just said. No, killing somebody doesn’t inevitably damage one’s soul. It’s really up to the killer to decide for himself whether his soul is damaged (which assertion contradicts everything we’ve learned about Voldemort and his Horcruces)--and it would be incredibly selfish of Snape to put an insignificant thing like the state of his immortal soul ahead of Dumbledore’s temporary pain and humiliation. As if that weren’t bad enough, Scummy then lays a guilt trip on Snape by calling this emotional blackmail a “great favor.” This phrasing implies Snape is really the one in control, and if he agrees to kill his leader, it’s a completely free choice on his part, made out of the goodness of his heart--as opposed to the inexcusable selfishness he’d be displaying by refusing.
It has been said that Snape’s killing of Dumbledore was “assisted suicide,” but that’s not true. As I wrote in my article, “Chaos a Hundred Times,”
Make no mistake: Dumbledore’s death was not “assisted suicide.” At least as that term is typically used, “assisted suicide” refers exclusively to giving a quick and painless death to someone who is already dying but incapable of killing him/herself. Until he’d swallowed the cave poison, the Headmaster was able to live normally and continue his manipulations leadership duties with both Hogwarts and the Order of the Phoenix. After returning from the cave, he could possibly have been given an antidote and kept alive indefinitely in decent health. Even collapsed on the Astronomy Tower, there is no reason he could not have swallowed poison on his own that Severus smuggled to him under the guise of capturing him, with Snape then Vanishing the vial before it was discovered. (Since the old man was apparently dying, such a “convenient” death wouldn’t have looked too suspicious, and we know Snape was an expert at concealing the truth from both Voldemort and his fellow Death Eaters.) If Dumbledore wanted an easy death, he could have given it to himself at any time with little or no help from anyone else. Coercing Snape into murdering him was his last con job, one final chance to exploit and degrade the man he’d been psychologically torturing, either personally or by proxy, since Severus first stepped off the Hogwarts Express as a poorly dressed little boy.
People wanting to know why Snape stayed at Hogwarts, despite clearly being miserable, don’t need to insult Snape by calling him an immature wimp, or make up ridiculous stories about his eternal devotion to a dead girl. They have only to study these conversations, which are backed up by the other Snape/Dumbledore interactions in this and other books. Every time the two men interact, the older man is demeaning the younger one. Whether he’s blowing off Snape’s concerns without even looking at him (earlier in this chapter), laughing at his extreme distress (the end of PoA), or pushing Snape to degrade himself in public (the Christmas cracker scene in PoA), Dumbledore invariably treats Snape as untrustworthy, worthless, and completely disposable. Snape is an object of ridicule, his deepest feelings, wishes, beliefs, and opinions unworthy of notice except as fodder for jokes and opportunities for further humiliation.
Snape came from a family that was at best neglectful and at worst abusive. Then he attended a school where he was constantly bullied, and no one did anything to stop it. His desperation to belong somewhere drove him to join a cult, only to find out it was run by a genocidal maniac. The man he ran to for help turned out to be just as cruel and dangerous a cult leader as the maniac, if more subtle. This lifetime of malignant neglect and relentless degradation would have forced Snape into a state of learned helplessness and kept him there indefinitely.
Learned helplessness is a psychological condition in which someone tries repeatedly to accomplish a goal or control their life, but nothing ever works, so eventually they give up. This is what we see in Snape’s interactions with Dumbledore: No matter what Snape says or does, he is ridiculed, ignored, browbeaten, or otherwise intimidated into silence and compliance. Of course he eventually gave up even trying to escape.
Conversation 3: “I give Harry information I can’t give you.” “You promised to kill me.”
Dumbledore: I have things to discuss with [Harry], information I must give him before it is too late.
Snape: You trust him...you do not trust me.
Dumbledore: It is not a question of trust...It is essential that I give the boy enough information for him to do what he needs to do.
Snape: And why may I not have the same information?
Dumbledore: I prefer not to put all my secrets in one basket, particularly not a basket that spends so much time dangling on the arm of Lord Voldemort.
Snape: Which I do on your orders!
Dumbledore: And you do it extremely well. Do not think that I underestimate the constant danger in which you place yourself, Severus. To give Voldemort what appears to be valuable information while withholding the essentials is a job I would entrust to nobody but you.
Snape: Yet you confide much more in a boy who is incapable of Occlumency, whose magic is mediocre, and who has a direct connection into the Dark Lord’s mind!...
Dumbledore: After you have killed me, Severus--
Snape: You refuse to tell me everything, yet you expect that small service of me! You take a great deal for granted, Dumbledore! Perhaps I have changed my mind!
Dumbledore: You gave me your word, Severus. And while we are talking about services you owe me....
Snape looked angry, mutinous. Dumbledore sighed.
Dumbledore: Come to my office tonight...and you shall not complain that I have no confidence in you....
In this conversation, Snape accuses Dumbledore of not trusting him. Scummy implies that’s not the case by saying he’s just trying to give Harry necessary information. He contradicts himself in the next breath by admitting he doesn’t trust anybody who spends so much time around Voldemort. This implies Snape wants to be around the Dull Lord and loves telling Voldy everything he knows, a deeply offensive and insulting suggestion. When Snape defends himself by pointing out this close association is only at Dumbassbore’s behest, Dumby tries to distract and disarm Snape with compliments.
To Snape’s great credit, he doesn’t allow himself to be distracted and comes back to his main point: that his boss not only doesn’t trust him, he does trust an inept kid with “a direct connection into the Dark Lord’s mind.” Realizing his distraction techniques aren’t going to work, Dumby then tries to change the subject by bringing up his “suicide by Snape,” even referring to it as “services you owe me.” That’s right Severus: You suck so much, you are so worthless, that you actually owe it to me to permanently damage your immortal soul by committing a murder I browbeat you into carrying out. Not only that: Scummy’s words here directly contradict his remarks in C2, when he said of his murder, “I ask this one great favor of you.” This is textbook psychopath behavior: If politely persuading your “mark” doesn’t work, bully him. The only thing that matters is that you get what you want.
Just when I think this book can’t get any more disgusting--and Scummywhore can’t get any more evil--Rowling proves me wrong.
Snape shows remarkable stubbornness by sticking to his guns wand, and even showing signs of rebellion, saying he’s tired of getting jerked around and maybe he’ll abandon their murder pact. Realizing he’s about to lose control over his slave, Scummy falls back on his old reliable emotional blackmail techniques: He first appeals to Snape’s integrity (conveniently ignoring that, since Scummy has none himself, that puts Snape at a severe disadvantage), then lays a guilt trip on Snape. When that still doesn’t work, a miracle occurs: Dumbledore gives in to Snape!
Remember that. The true significance of it will be revealed at the end of this installment.
Conversation 4: “Harry has to die.”
Dumbledore: Harry must not know, not until the last moment...otherwise how could he have the strength to do what must be done?
Snape: But what must he do?
Dumbledore: That is between Harry and me...If there comes a time when Lord Voldemort...keeps [Nagini] safe beside him...I think it will be safe to tell Harry.
Snape: Tell him what?
Dumbledore: [That a piece of Voldemort’s soul is in Harry, and as long as that is so, Voldemort cannot die.]
Snape: So the boy...the boy must die?
Dumbledore: [Yes.]
Snape: I thought...all these years...that we were protecting him for her. For Lily.
Dumbledore: We have protected him because it has been essential to teach him, to raise him, to let him try his strength....
Snape: [Snape looks horrified.] You have kept him alive so that he can die at the right moment?
Dumbledore: Don’t be shocked, Severus. How many men and women have you watched die?
Snape: Lately, only those whom I could not save. You have used me.
Dumbledore: Meaning?
Snape: I have spied for you and lied for you, put myself in mortal danger for you. Everything was supposed to be to keep Lily Potter’s son safe. Now you tell me you have been raising him like a pig for slaughter--
Dumbledore: But this is touching, Severus. Have you grown to care for the boy, after all?
Snape: [Shouting] For him? Expecto Patronum! [The doe Patronus bursts forth and leaps from the room.]
Dumbledore: After all this time?
Snape: Always.
In this conversation, Dumbassbore contradicts what he said at the end of the previous encounter by refusing to confide in Snape again. Then he turns the conversation by talking about the importance of killing Nagini. This information is bizarre enough that he succeeds in distracting the younger man. He expects Snape to tell Harry the ugly truth: that Harry must die himself to finally kill Voldemort. He also expects Harry both to listen to Snape and to act on Snape’s instructions despite the fact Dumbledore himself has fostered unrelieved enmity between the two for almost seven years! (That is, it will be almost seven years by the time Harry has his final confrontation with Voldemort.) Then there’s the little matter of Snape killing Dumbledore, which will certainly not endear him to Harry. Could this plot be any more stupid?
Then Mr. Courageous (alleged) Gryffindor wimps out by refusing to tell Snape directly that Harry has to die. He explains the whole Harrycrux phenomenon and lets Snape figure it out for himself. When Snape is understandably appalled, Dumbassbore tries to distract Snape again by ridiculing his feelings: “Hey, you have no right to look like that because you’ve sat on your can and watched people die plenty of times. It should be no big deal to you at this point.” Never mind that there’s a moral difference the size of the Mariana Trench between allowing people to die whom you cannot save, and deliberately keeping someone alive just so they can be killed at the right time.
Maybe it’s because Dumbledore’s deteriorating health is undermining his ability to intimidate. Maybe it’s because Snape’s spying is making him feel more independent. For whatever reason, this Snape is breaking through to stage 4 in his spiritual development, and he’s not allowing himself to be conned by the old geezer any more. He refuses to be distracted or ridiculed into silence. He comes right out and accuses his boss of being a liar, user, traitor, and backstabber--not just to him, but also to Harry.
Dumbassbore tries to ridicule Snape into silence again, but it doesn’t work this time. The doe Patronus is commonly assumed to be a reference to Lily, but is it? Remember what I quoted about the white hind in chapter 19?
Poised in moon- or sunlight, Eilid invites us to begin an exploration of the Otherworld, of the spiritual dimension of life.
Drawn reversed, this card may be warning you to be less self-effacing. Rather than adapting yourself, like a chameleon, to the perceived demands and expectations of those around you, you may need to be more assertive.
Rather than a declaration of his continuing devotion to Lily, the doe can be interpreted as Severus’s declaration of independence. The autonomy forced on him by his years of living as a spy has pushed him to develop spiritually past the second and third stages he’s been stuck in for decades. Another factor would be his horror at being expected to commit murder. He clearly is strongly opposed to performing that “small service”; the revulsion he would feel towards Dumbledore for pressuring him to do something he finds morally repugnant would help to create a psychological separation between the two, whether Dumby is aware of it or not. Mix in Snape’s justifiable bitterness and resentment caused by decades of Dumby’s abuse, neglect, exploitation, humiliation, and deception, and these emotions combine to form a powerful spiritual acid that begins to eat away at Snape’s emotional dependence on and submission to Dumbledore’s authority.
Of course, Snape is not going to admit to any of this. He can’t afford to let Dumbledore know he’s growing up. Particularly after this last betrayal, he knows better than anyone the old man cannot be trusted, and must not be confided in. So he performs a little distraction of his own by implying, “Sure it’s still all about Lily. What else would it be about?” *blinks innocently while Occluding* And please notice he refers to “Lily Potter.” Snape haters never give him credit for that. More important, it means he has finally accepted she is lost to him. She married another man in life, and now she is dead.
So with Lily out of the way, why does Snape continue to protect Harry? It’s because he truly has, as Harry allegedly does, “a saving people thing.” Mary_j_59 has stated she believes Severus is a saint. She’s never explained what she means by that, and I’m not Catholic, so I can’t offer a theological opinion. But in his willingness to protect all the students of Hogwarts, at the cost of his well-being, and even his own life, Severus Snape is the living embodiment of God’s grace. My computer’s dictionary defines grace like this: “(in Christian belief) the free and unmerited favor of God, as manifested in the salvation of sinners and the bestowal of blessings.” In just this way, Snape’s mercy and protectiveness fall on the worthy and unworthy students alike. Whether the child in need is a rude, lazy slacker like Harry and Ron, a privileged DE wannabe like Draco, or some nameless nobody caught in the undertow of Dumbledore or Voldemort’s ambitions, Severus Snape will “do all in his power” to protect that child.
Because nobody knows better than he what happens to children who are not protected.
This scene may also mark the last appearance of Snape’s doe Patronus. In the future, as he comes more into his own, I’d expect his Patronus to take the form of a ram-headed serpent. This mythical creature is both Slytherin and masculine, and represents virility, power, healing, regeneration, and the Underworld, which Snape has had to spiritually traverse (with Eilid as his guide?) to become an independent adult. It is a Patronus that refers to Severus himself, his needs, feelings, desires, personality, and life, rather than commemorating both a relationship and a girl that are equally dead.
One further point: Snape haters like to make a big deal of his referring to Harry as “a pig for slaughter,” rather than a lamb, as if equating Harry with one cloven-hoofed barnyard animal rather than another is somehow indicative of inexcusable prejudice on his part. They completely ignore this ugly little fact: Dumbledore has just admitted that he planned all along for Harry to die! So Snape’s a terrible person for equating Harry with a pig, but Dumbledore’s an okay guy just doing his job by setting up for death a dumb, trusting kid who loves him. The only way someone could seriously believe that makes sense is if s/he had hir mouth surgically grafted onto JKR’s ass.
This also proves people who describe Dumbledore as the God of the Potterverse are right. At least, they are if they’re referring to George Carlin’s version of God: “Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it, religion has actually convinced people that there's an INVISIBLE MAN...LIVING IN THE SKY...who watches every thing you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten special things that he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever 'til the end of time...but he loves you.”
In just this way, Albus Dumbledore condemns to eternal (lifetime) torment anyone who submits to his rule, while insisting he really, truly cares about them and is only hurting them because either “the greater good” or their own good demands it. What was it Aberforth said in chapter 28 about his brother? Oh, yes, this: “Funny thing, how many of the people my brother cared about very much ended up in a worse state than if he’d let ‘em well alone.”
There are only a few scenes after C4. We see the end of Lily’s letter to Sirius; it expresses her disbelief that Albus could ever have been friends with Gellert. I felt sad when I read that. It proves she was just a naive kid who was taken in by Dumbledore, too. Like mother, like son.
The last scene affirms my belief Severus has finally begun to grow up and free himself from Dumbassbore’s oppression. After nine months of running the school while running interference between the DE staffers and the students, as well as running the gauntlet of double agenting, Severus Snape is a different man. Although enormously stressful, triumphing over these experiences has given him a tremendous sense of power, accomplishment, and independence. Freed from Dumby’s constant oppression and in a position of authority himself, he has finally learned what it feels like to be strong, confident, and in control.
The portrait of Phineas Black has just told Snape where Harry is located on his camping trip. Black calls Hermione a “mudblood,” and Severus corrects him. When Snape goes to fetch Gryffindor’s sword, Dumbledore continues to try to control him from beyond the grave via his portrait. But Snape isn’t having any of that.
“Now, Severus, the sword! Do not forget that it must be taken under conditions of need and valor--and he must not know that you give it! If Voldemort should read Harry’s mind and see you acting for him--”
“I know,” said Snape curtly...”And you aren’t going to tell me why it’s so important to give Potter the sword?”....
“No, I don’t think so...He will know what to do with it. And Severus, be very careful, they may not take kindly to your appearance after George Weasley’s mishap--”...
“Don’t worry, Dumbledore,” he said coolly. “I have a plan.” And Snape left the room.
Look at that! Twice in succession, Snape cuts off Dumbledore’s speechifying. His tone is no longer angry or resentful, as it was in the previous scenes, but “curt” and “cool.” This is of enormous importance: People feel anger and resentment towards those who have power over them, be it physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, or financial. A “curt” and “cool” tone indicates a detachment that can only be the result of psychological independence. That means Snape is no longer being ground under Dumbledore’s boot heel. And note how the transition in tone is made: Snape is curt when Dumby is just trying to give him orders; he’s cool once he’s tried, one final time, to get Dumby to confide in him--only to be rejected and patronized again. Self-absorbed as always, Albus is too dumb to pick up on the subtleties of his former patsy’s behavior. He doesn’t realize the man who walks out that door is no longer Dumbledore’s man.
He is his own.
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"He is his own."
Date: 2014-12-01 02:44 am (UTC)(Now I'm gonna go back and see what you did with the Shrieking Shack scene lo so many months ago...)
"This installment contains one particular sentence I imagine will make the Snape-haters’ heads explode. See if you can figure out which one it is. *cackles fiendishly*"
Still looking for it... but great Spork all the same. :)
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And happy belated birthday!
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Date: 2014-12-01 08:50 am (UTC)I agree with the general message, of how Dumbles kept playing Severus, but in the end Severus broke away and continued on his own terms.
If you don't mind, I am going to pick some nits:
- Just before promising to eventually kill Albus, Severus estimated he had about a year to live. That was early July 1996 (before the time Albus sent Harry the note announcing his intended visit at 4PD). The tower death scene was sometime in June 1997. If we accept Severus' professional opinion, then he shorted the new lease on life that he had given Dumbles by no more than about a month. The characters of 'The Oxford Murders' (great movie, BTW) would have considered it a case of 'imperceptible murder'.
- When Severus is threatening to not follow through with the murder plot he is threatening to commit suicide by Unbreakable Vow. (Does death by Vow damage one's soul?) And that was just hours before he learned that he won't even be giving up on Harry.
- The conversation culminating in the doe Patronus took place in late February 1997. This can't be the last appearance of the doe, because 10 months later Severus uses the doe to lead Harry to the sword.
I agree Severus' goal was protecting the children of Hogwarts - for which purpose he also followed the plan of passing the death message to Harry once he saw Nagini under protection, because destroying Voldemort is the only thing that would protect them in the long term.
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Date: 2014-12-02 03:33 am (UTC)Well, there are HP fans who find it poignant and sweet. Of course, they’re usually the people who believe that Lily was a virtuous angel.
/Scummy first compliments the younger man’s courage. Then he snatches the compliment away by implying the only reason Snape has guts is because he’s not a true representative of House Slytherin; he really belongs in (presumably) Slytherin’s rival house, Gryffindor/
Like how he snatched the House Cup away from Slytherin House in Harry’s first year? :P
But yes, even if people want to give Dumbledore the benefit of the doubt and assume that he sincerely meant that remark as a compliment, there’s still the fact that he’s just admitted that he doesn’t think that Slytherins can be brave. That’s why he said that Snape should have been in Gryffindor, implying that he views Slytherin House as a home for craven cowards. And this is the Hogwarts HEADMASTER saying this, not the Head of Gryffindor.
/Scummywhore says he doesn’t want Draco to damage his soul by committing murder because he’s just a kid/
Which is why he did nothing to stop Draco before Ron accidentally drank the poisoned mead and Katie was nearly killed by the cursed necklace.
/It’s really up to the killer to decide for himself whether his soul is damaged/
I think that maybe Dumbledore meant it in a metaphorical light. Draco’s soul would be “ripped” by guilt if he murdered Dumbledore. Since Snape knows that Dumbledore wants him to kill him, he’d feel no guilt about delivering a mercy-killing and therefore would avoid “damaging” his soul. At least according to Dumbledore’s logic.
/Scummy implies that’s not the case by saying he’s just trying to give Harry necessary information/
Except, you know, telling him how to find and destroy Horcruxes.
/He contradicts himself in the next breath by admitting he doesn’t trust anybody who spends so much time around Voldemort./
Look at the word choice he uses: “dangling on the arm of Lord Voldemort.” Like Snape is a groupie or Voldemort’s trophy boyfriend. Snape is risking his life every minute that he’s with Voldemort, so what gives?
/even referring to it as “services you owe me.” /
Except…what does Snape owe Dumbledore at this point? The Potters are dead. Everyone on Dumbledore’s side hates him. Dumbledore sends him out to risk his life as a double agent, so he’s not providing protection. So…what obligation does Snape have to Dumbledore anymore? Just like how Voldemort’s memory of Godric Hollow ruined speculations about the Potters’ death, so too does this chapter ruin speculations about Snape and Dumbledore’s relationship.
/He also expects Harry both to listen to Snape and to act on Snape’s instructions/
I guess that he expects that Harry will just magically drop his hatred towards Snape as soon as Snape utters the magic words: “Because Dumbledore said so.”
/So he performs a little distraction of his own by implying, “Sure it’s still all about Lily. What else would it be about?”/
While lending fuel to his critics’ argument that he’s only doing all of this for Lily.
/Snape haters like to make a big deal of his referring to Harry as “a pig for slaughter,” rather than a lamb/
Really? I haven’t heard that argument. But either way, it’s an animal being offered up for SLAUGHTER, so what does it matter what kind of animal it is?
/“No, I don’t think so.../
Wow…he just came right out and said it. “No, Severus, you don’t need to know about the sword that can possibly help stop the Dark Lord that you’ve sworn your life to stop. Harry knows what to do, so don’t worry about it.”
To borrow your WWII comparisons from the previous sporking, this would be as if Alan Turing’s superiors didn’t tell any of Turing’s coworkers about the German ciphers that he would break because, hey, he knows what to do with them. So, they don’t have to worry about it.
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Date: 2014-12-02 08:35 am (UTC)The books would make more sense if, say, Dumbledore was the Head of Gryffindor and Minerva was the Headmistress. Yes, she has her own biases, but at least they're far less overt than Dumbledore's. And one can argue that she isn't DELIBERATELY fucking over students for gaslighting purposes, whereas Dumbledore, well...
/I think that maybe Dumbledore meant it in a metaphorical light. Draco’s soul would be “ripped” by guilt if he murdered Dumbledore. [...]/
On the other hand, Voldemort obviously feels no guilt, and yet he rips off pieces of his soul like he's using them as raffle tickets. (J.K.R.'s entire approach to murder and Horcruxes confuses me. Always has, always will.)
/Except, you know, telling him how to find and destroy Horcruxes./
Pfft! Yes, one has to wonder what he was thinking. Except...
Hey. While we're theorizing evil!Dumbledore, is it possible he WANTED the Reign of Terror to go on for a while? In-universe, even with the most absurd coincidences, it took a year. Perhaps he wanted it to take quite some time for Harry to find all the Horcruxes and destroy them properly, just so everyone could remember how good they had it under Dumbledore and how bad things were under Voldemort's lot of Azkaban-warped fanatics?
Nah. Even psychopath!Dumbledore wouldn't go that far.
Would he?
//Snape haters like to make a big deal of his referring to Harry as “a pig for slaughter,” rather than a lamb/
Really? I haven’t heard that argument. But either way, it’s an animal being offered up for SLAUGHTER, so what does it matter what kind of animal it is?/
Exactly. If anything, I thought Snape deliberately chose "pig" to add harshness to his words and drive home just how squalid, nasty, and brutish this arrangement is. Raise a loyal child for over a decade only to launch him straight into the abattoir.
/“Wow…he just came right out and said it. [...] /
My preferred weak!Dumbledore pulls these sorts of stunts because he's too buried in romantic children's tales to really think too hard about the Grand Plan coming to naught. That's simply Not How Things Are Done.
Psychopath!Dumbledore likely doesn't want anyone with reason to be hostile to him to hold too many cards. True, Severus is loyal. However, Severus knows too much. All that keeps him in check are bonds of guilt AND people's distrust of him. If he could actually make a difference directly, people might start to give him an extremely grudging benefit-of-the-doubt out of necessity. And that simply wouldn't do. Rita Skeeter's expose would /pale/ beside what Severus Snape could reveal FIRST-HAND about his activities.
(An amusing thought: what if a little beetle had overheard some of their conversations? Potential for a Rita/Severus fic, there?)
So keep Severus in the dark and force him to act as a courier and defender-with-his-hands-tied only. He can't show his mettle if he can't get the chance.
Curious: forget WWII comparisons, has anyone ever compared Dumbledore to L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard) (They're even both redheads, amusingly.) Strictly speaking, Hubbard might better be compared to Lockhart, but Lockhart didn't develop a long-lasting cult of personality, by the sounds of it.
Under the psychopath!Dumbledore theory, does any of this sound familiar?
The evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological liar when it comes to his history, background and achievements. The writings and documents in evidence additionally reflect his egoism, greed, avarice, lust for power, and vindictiveness and aggressiveness against persons perceived by him to be disloyal or hostile. At the same time it appears that he is charismatic and highly capable of motivating, organizing, controlling, manipulating and inspiring his adherents. He has been referred to during the trial as a "genius," a "revered person," a man who was "viewed by his followers in awe." [...]
- Judge Paul G. Breckenridge [Church of Scientology of California vs. Gerald Armstrong]
Evil Dumbledore and Tom's Reign of Terror
Date: 2014-12-02 06:22 pm (UTC)Nah. Even psychopath!Dumbledore wouldn't go that far.
Would he?
Erm. DH 35, "King's Cross":
"Why did you have to make it so difficult?"
Dumbledore's smile was tremulous. "I'm afraid I counted on Miss Granger to slow you up, Harry."
Urp. IT'S CANON. Or, it's canon if we can trust a single word Twinkles said. Having worked very hard to ensure that no one but Harry had the most relevant information needed to destroy Tom (including brainwashing Harry into refusing to share it even with the Headmistress or the Order of the Phoenix), Albus then deliberately delayed Harry.
Note that dear Albus used Severus to keep him alive for almost all of the year Severus had originally promised as the maximum he could "trap" the curse in the hand. By the time Albus set up the Cave adventure and his death, he'd given Tom enough time to infiltrate the Ministry and sap it almost to the point of falling. Moreover, he'd ensured that Tom knew the timeframe he was working with: he'd made sure Severus had relayed to the Death Eaters the information that Albus was failing, AND put Severus in the cursed DADA post. So Tom knew that, (Draco's absurd attempts aside), he had to have Severus perform the assassination by the end of the school year before the DADA curse removed Severus from Hogwarts. Therefore his plans to take over the other major WW institutions needed to be near maturity by then.
Further, Twinkles had programmed his Order of the Phoenix, which much of the population would be looking to for leadership if the Ministry failed, to do nothing upon his death but sit on their arses and bleat about how Harry Potter would save the day, just wait for him to do so like Dumbledore said.
So. Albus would be killed. Treacherously, by the man to whom he'd given a second chance, PROVING that Albus's greatest weakness was, indeed, his need to believe the best of people. O Magnamimous and Beneficient One, betrayed by your own noblity of character! Shortly thereafter (five weeks, was it?) the Ministry would fall. When it did, people would turn to Albus's Order to provide leadership to the Resistance--and Albus's followers would cozy up to the new regime and declaim, "show your devotion to the man with the lightning scar by listening to Potterwatch!" IOW, don't even try to do anything effective, just wait for Harry to save us all.
And HARRY had been deliberately delayed, to give everyone a good long taste of life under Tom.
So yeah. The take-home lesson for history was, see what horrors I'd been restraining? Lord Voldemort (give him his right name, now!) was so scared of me that it's my death (brought about by treachery and my own shining purity, my inability to comprehend baseness in another), nothing else,that unleashed him on the world. Only Harry, with the aid of MY training, could ultimately defeat him, as was Foretold. But I was the one, single-handed and without the benefit of any Prophecy, who held him back for all those decades. See what I protected you from?
Urgh.
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Date: 2014-12-02 07:45 pm (UTC)Re: Evil Dumbledore and Tom's Reign of Terror
Date: 2014-12-03 06:38 am (UTC)And Albus promptly ensures that Harry won't ever cooperate, either.
And Scrimgeour eventually DIES UNDER TORTURE trying to protect the stupid kid anyhow.
Re: Evil Dumbledore and Tom's Reign of Terror
Date: 2014-12-03 10:08 am (UTC)Oops. Well, thank you for pulling out that quote in this context. That settles it, then.
Note that dear Albus used Severus to keep him alive for almost all of the year Severus had originally promised as the maximum he could "trap" the curse in the hand.
Out of curiosity, since we're talking evil!Dumbledore - is it possible that he deliberately chose to die because it would eliminate inconvenient questions of either A) why alive!Dumbledore had trouble killing Voldemort (if the second war took a while) or B) why Dumbledore hadn't used his head and killed Voldemort in the first war (if the second war took a short time).
Poor martyred Dumbledore, after all, would have no such questions coming his way. Any blame would fall upon his hapless successors, since they obviously screwed up Dumbledore's plan. It wasn't the STRATEGY that was defective, just the TOOLS.
Admittedly, he'd still be dead. But a manipulator who doesn't plan to live forever might as well decide to plot out his death in the most dramatic and glory-whoring way possible. *
(I only bring this up because I can't fathom why he didn't just chop off the arm and save himself. Surely that would have at least *extended* his lifespan? It's not like the withered arm was good for much, anyway.)
So. Albus would be killed. Treacherously, by the man to whom he'd given a second chance, PROVING that Albus's greatest weakness was, indeed, his need to believe the best of people.
*Furthermore, in a way that didn't test his power and therefore reveal limits to it. So he couldn't die to accomplish anything, because that would reveal that he couldn't have accomplished it while also staying alive. Therefore he had to be a poor innocent martyr. -_-;;
IOW, don't even try to do anything effective, just wait for Harry to save us all.
To go slightly off-topic, this is why I hate messiah-ideology in any situation. It's a great way to keep the subjugated in line. After all, it would be BLASPHEMOUS to try to fix things yourself rather than waiting for the messiah to show! (He'll be here any day now... aaaaany day now...)
Urgh.
I'd quote more, but you summed the whole thing up excellently. :X Evil!Dumbledore's an amazing villain. Truly awesome in his villainy (in the original 'awe-inducing' sense). It's a pity he's not intended that way.
Re: Evil Dumbledore and Tom's Reign of Terror
Date: 2014-12-03 02:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-12-02 04:38 pm (UTC)Well, if he told Harry how to recognize that something was a Horcrux the trio would have figured out the Harrycrux early on, and we know Dumbles did not want that. (Though it would have been amusing if the kids performed a spell that showed there was a Horcrux within 10 feet, and they couldn't figure out what it could possibly be, and then concluded they must have messed the spell up.)
As for how to destroy them - well, wasn't leaving those books out enough? (Was he planning for Severus to deliver the books? Can you imagine Severus sending the doe again, to annoy Harry until he realizes the sword wasn't the only thing, there was more to be found?)
Re: pig vs lamb - SRSLY? Not only are both animals, both are consumed as food within the culture of British wizards. It's not as if we are talking about Jewish or Muslim wizards, where the difference would have been significant.
Like a pig
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Date: 2014-12-03 10:13 am (UTC)This is one of the creepier things about HP. (Amongst many, many other creepy things.) The people who died FIGHTING didn't die for Hogwarts? No - apparently you have to willfully and PASSIVELY die to protect someone. No fighting back. No resistance. No action. Simply standing there, as though already a corpse, and letting the Dark Lord finish the job.
For a House that's supposed to be about boldness, Gryffindor-under-Dumbledore's-influence sure upholds inaction as a virtue...
Living embodiment of God's grace
Date: 2014-12-03 02:11 am (UTC)Re: Living embodiment of God's grace
Date: 2014-12-03 04:16 am (UTC)——Talk to me about Hufflepuffs in the Battle of Hogwarts.
——[snip]
(Hufflepuffs who sneer and hiss when they learn Severus Snape has been awarded a posthumous Order of Merlin—because they remember only too well that he bullied their children, insulted the most vulnerable people in his classes, struck at the weaknesses of those he was supposed to be building up, and nothing he did can make up for that betrayal of trust, that unfairness. Hufflepuffs who will never, ever forgive him.)
~*~
Me: o_o
Well boo freaking hoo, how wonderful that you've retained such a clear head to know that some things hurt too deep to heal, and that you're all such great and responsible parents...whilst *conveniently* un-remembering ("The photos of Jones, Aaronson and Lutherford exist, you just burnt them moments ago!" "I do not remember.") that without the efforts of this gruesome, black-hearted crow of a potions professor, Harry Potter would've croaked ages ago, the entire wizarding Britain would've tanked and your pwecious children would be *arbituarily* sent to Hogwarts to be brainwashed slaves BY ATTENDING TO VOLDEMORT-HELD SEMINARS. All of your no-doubt brave acts of defiance would be futile by the time LV can freely use the students as the families' hostage and vice versa. Chances are you won't have any family left to nurse your psychological traumas with! Would it please you to know that Snape is currently stewing in hell? He'd have so much to talk about with folks like John Constantine, to be sure. "I betrayed my best friend and led to her death..." "Now that's a bummer, ol' chap. *squeezes Snape's Shoulder* I'm still trying to locate the girl I wrongly condemned to hell and tell her I'm sorry..."
I get it, okay? I'll admit that 90+% of canon!Slytherins are evil pieces of €£%t. Why do you have to elevate Hufflepuffs at the expense of one of the less-than-handful of good Slytherins, which, I may add, played parts that your precious Hufflepuffs never dreamed of doing?!
/rant
Re: Living embodiment of God's grace
Date: 2014-12-03 04:46 am (UTC)Re: Living embodiment of God's grace
Date: 2014-12-12 01:39 am (UTC)Thoughts?
(And sorry for replying so late)
Re: Living embodiment of God's grace
Date: 2014-12-12 04:35 pm (UTC)I am guessing this reader assumes Severus has a problem with Hufflepuffs because Draco looked down on them before arriving at Hogwarts, but to me it seems most of the perception of Hufflepuffs as lesser wizards comes from Gryffindors.
As for Tonks, she learned Potions from Severus, and that she ended up as an Auror meant she must have earned an O in the Potions OWL. I am of the opinion that Severus comment was about Tonks weakened powers and how that made her an insufficient escort for Harry.
I do agree with you that saving the sorry backsides of the students makes Severus worthy of any wizarding honors, and Neville would be among the first to acknowledge that. I doubt ant Hufflepuff would disagree.
Re: tumblr posts
Date: 2014-12-13 02:41 am (UTC)From what I've seen of tumblr side of HP fandome; they do have some very good ideas (like wishing for or headcanoning more racial and ethnic diversity at Hogwarts, openly LGBT characters, acknowledging racism and xenophobia in books . . .) but they also same to flat out hate Snape.
The "If Harry was born as a girl Snape would act the same as Petyr Baelish", "Snape threatened a toad so he's the most cruel to animals character in HP", "Snape was a creepy, rape-y stalker" and general "Snape is a evil bully" posts are beyond counting.
Personally I'm surprised if I see a post that even dares to suggest that Snape wasn't totally evil, irredeemable monster.
Re: tumblr posts
Date: 2014-12-13 02:49 am (UTC)http://roachpatrol.tumblr.com/post/88580895857/quintobatchh-strawberrypatty
http://harrypottersdeadmum.tumblr.com/post/64270180182/no-i-will-never-get-over-harry-naming-his-child
(The second one I found by myself, the first one was referrered to me by a friend, I think it was
Re: Living embodiment of God's grace
Date: 2014-12-14 04:15 pm (UTC)On that 'I see no difference' comment - unless it refers to something completely different from the obvious reading, it's spiteful and childish and unbecoming of any adult let alone a teacher. I couldn't belive it when I read that line! it seemed so out of character compared to the previous books that I'd attributed it to deliberate character assassination from Jo until I read Terri_Testing's intriguing 'swelling solution' interpetation.
Re: Living embodiment of God's grace
Date: 2014-12-14 05:40 pm (UTC)I agree with you about his communication style, some of my best and most beloved teachers were snarkers who often used cutting remarks towards anyone who was not 100% up to task.
Re: Living embodiment of God's grace
Date: 2014-12-14 06:51 pm (UTC)A double-bind communication in four syllables
Date: 2014-12-03 07:16 pm (UTC)The Boy Who Lived.
And who is expected by everyone, including himself, to sacrifice himself to vanquish Riddle by virtue of that title.
Re: A double-bind communication in four syllables
Date: 2014-12-04 07:45 am (UTC)In ancient Rome, one euphemism used to declare that someone had just been executed was "He has lived."
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Date: 2014-12-04 04:01 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-12-13 02:53 am (UTC)I wish someone who's actually tech-savvy can see this and respond soon.
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Date: 2014-12-13 05:07 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-12-13 08:47 am (UTC)(mod)
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Date: 2014-12-13 02:24 am (UTC)Not only because I suspect that "pig for slaughter" was, on JKR part, a deliberate choice.
It's close enough to "lamb" and all religious connotations it brings, but still not as in-your-face as actually using "lamb" in text would be.
My amusement also have something to do with the fact that, since the first book (in fact since Harry's introduction to WW!) the "good guys" were the only ones we have seen comparing to or trying to turn people they dislike into pigs!
So the irony of "Snape is evil 'cos he once suggested Harry had something in common with a pig" (never mind that Harry wasn't around to hear it and that Snape was incredulous and horrified when he said it) but "Hagrid is good and nice and the fact that he assaulted (by trying to turn him into a pig) a frightened, covering in the corner 11 years old boy is perfectly okay!" is just darkly funny.
But my main source of amusement comes from this:
Snape: If you don’t mind dying, why not let Draco do it?
Dumbledore: That boy’s soul is not yet so damaged. I would not have it ripped apart on my account.
Snape: And my soul, Dumbledore? Mine?
Dumbledore: You alone know whether it will harm your soul to help an old man avoid pain and humiliation. I ask this one great favor of you, Severus, because death is coming for me...I confess I should prefer a quick, painless exit to the protracted and messy affair it will be, if, for instance, Greyback is involved...Or dear Bellatrix, who likes to play with her food before she eats it.
Look at the way DD talks about people!
Draco is "that boy". DD can't be even bothered to dignify him with a name. And he make sure to also say that his "soul is not yet so damaged".
Now, I'm not a native English speaker so I may be all wrong, but to me it sounds as if DD fully expect that while Draco's souls isn't yet damaged - it will be one day. And that right now it isn't totally undamaged either.
Also look at that last line. Death by Greyback is going to be a "protracted and messy affair" almost as if DD talking about being torn up by dogs.
And Bellatrix likes to "play with her food before she eats it" almost like he's talking about a cat.
So, yeah both of those people are horrible and evil. But the way DD talks makes them sound as nothing more then dangerous animals.
I get the feeling that the only one DD see as a (old) man here is himself.
On saints and Abdals (trying again)
Date: 2014-12-13 05:05 am (UTC)So - Saints:
I think your definition of a saint is not far off mine. I forget - are you among the "Young Wizards" fans here? In "A Wizard Alone", which I just reread, there's the best conversation about saints and what they really are that I have ever read. I'll try to find it again if you're interested. In the meantime, the Catholic definition, which I also agree with, can be found at http colon backslash backslash catholicism dot about dot com backslash od backslash thesaints backslash f backslash What_Is_A_Saint dot htm. We are all called to be saints, because we're all called to attain heaven and to live lives of integrity. The saints themselves (I mean the canonized ones) are a bunch of real characters. They aren't totally virtuous, because they are human. But they are - as we are all called to be - agents of grace. As far as this bunch of very particular human beings goes, Snape is equated with one in particular. That's Saint Paul, apostle to the Gentiles. He even looks a bit like Saint Paul. Others have made this comparison at some length, so I won't go on here. BTW, Hagrid is equated almost as clearly to Saint Peter - so much so that I expected those spiders to hang him upside down. But no. Poor Severus, like Paul, got it in the neck, but nothing could happen to Hagrid.
I'm probably alone here in loving the doe Amima for Severus. To me, this shows that he is a fully integrated human being, capable of kingship - as their "feminine" nurturing and healing qualities confirm Sam, Aragorn, and to a lesser degree Faramir in their respective kingships. James' stag, in contrast, points to a young man who is immature and hypermasculine. But James dies very young, and doesn't show much capacity for growth in the books - even less than his son. However, my original idea of a Patronus for him was a griffin. That fits even better, since it's a guardian of treasure, just as Severus guarded Harry and the other children.
I've gone far afield from your original (and brilliant) post, however. It's really distressing to realize how utterly awful Dumbledore is. But, once you see it, you can't go back to thinking him the twinkling, benevolent, if neglectful, old wizard. He's a horror, really. And the problem is - Dumbledore isn't God the father. He's just some old wizard. But he takes the place of God in these stories, and that God is cold, callous, selfish, and manipulative.
Re: On saints and Abdals (trying again)
Date: 2014-12-13 05:09 am (UTC)Re: On saints and Abdals (trying again)
Date: 2014-12-13 04:12 pm (UTC)