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...and when he knew it.

I was reading through the comments to one of Terri’s old fics, and got sucked back into the probably-irresolvable tangle of questions about what Lucius was really planning during Chamber of Secrets. Piecing together some of the comments and one or two of my old speculations, we might at least be able to come up with a mostly-coherent hypothesis for one of those questions: what exactly did Lucius think the Diary was, and what did he think it would do?

It’s easy to assume that Lucius must have known what we know by the end of the book: that Tom Riddle was Voldemort’s original name, that he really had opened the Chamber of Secrets, that there really was a monster and the monster was a basilisk, and so forth. Lucius must have been a very important and trusted Death Eater to know all that!

But imagine it’s 1981, and you’re Voldemort. Just how much of that would you tell your slippery friend? Remember, Lucius doesn’t have to actually do anything except pass the Diary on to someone else. Maybe not even to a chosen victim, in the original plan; he might have been told to give it to Severus some weekend and let Severus plant it on a kid. If Lucius is just the delivery boy, how much does he really need to know?

By 1992, he clearly knows that it will at least seem that there is an Heir of Slytherin who has opened the Chamber of Secrets and released a monster. He knows this appeared to happen back in 1943, and told Draco as much. If he knows Hagrid was a suspect then, he didn’t tell Draco that part. (It’s possible that Fudge learned this from old Ministry records and told Lucius after the 1992 attacks started rather Lucius knowing all along.)

He doesn’t let on whether he knew from the start that the monster was a basilisk. And if he did, he was awfully reckless letting his only son and heir go to school with a basilisk roaming the halls. We know he strongly prefers that Draco stay alive, and basilisks don’t distinguish their victims based on blood status. But Draco doesn’t act like he’s been warned to keep safely in the middle of a crowd at all times and carry a mirror, does he? Well, maybe Lucius did warn him, and Draco ignored it… which Lucius could have predicted, easily, taking us back to Lucius being extraordinarily reckless. And Narcissa, if she also knew, because Draco says that his mother talked his father out of sending him to Durmstrang. Would she have done that if she thought Draco might run into a basilisk? Would Lucius have let her talk him out of it if he knew?

Also, if Lucius did know, what was his plan once he got the Board of Governors to oust Dumbledore? Was he going to tell Fudge, “Incidentally, I think the monster’s a basilisk—don’t ask me how I figured it out when no one else has—and I have also intuited who is controlling it based on no evidence whatsoever.” Somehow, I can’t see even Lucius thinking that was a good plan. He seems to have believed that he could appear to solve the problem once Dumbledore was gone without sounding as fishy as a seafood market.

So I’m inclined to think that he didn’t know it was a basilisk. What did he think it was, then?

And here’s where I think we should back up and ask whether Lucius thought there really was a monster at all. He knows the Diary is cursed somehow, yes. But we know there are books in the Potterverse which do things like compelling you to keep reading. Maybe he thought the curse was more on the order of Imperius-in-a-Book: the Diary would make the child write messages on the walls and curse other students (the Diary would impart the knowledge of whatever curses were required).

That would be a much easier problem for Lucius to handle. Draco would be safe, since the cursed student would know Draco was a pureblood. Lucius could arrange for an inquiry, make sure he was involved, and contrive to find something suspicious about Ginny which would “warrant further investigation.” They’d find a cursed Muggle diary in her belongings, and problem solved! Such a simple solution, and gosh, why didn’t Dumbledore figure this out if he’s so brilliant? Perhaps removing him from his position was an even better decision that we realized… old man’s obviously lost his touch…

What about the Heir business and the previous time the Chamber was supposedly opened? Dumbledore says that Voldemort acted through an intermediary “this time” as if everyone knows the Heir was on the spot last time, but is everyone sure the Heir didn't act through an intermediary last time too? If Lucius thinks the Diary is Imperius-in-a-Book, presumably it was enchanted back then and made some child (perhaps it was Hagrid after all!) curse their classmates. The person behind it used the legends of Slytherin’s monster waiting in the Chamber of Secrets to purge the school as symbols of the noble cause, but that doesn’t mean that the Chamber really was opened or that the monster was real. Intelligent people recognize that it’s a metaphor, Lucius might have nodded sagely to himself.

Or maybe he thought there was some non-basilisk monster in a real secret chamber which the book could Imperius the child into releasing and controlling. But that raises awkward questions about what Lucius thought the monster was and why he was so confident that it wouldn’t hurt purebloods even by accident.

And the Heir? Voldemort might have told Lucius that he was the Heir of Slytherin. But that doesn’t mean he also revealed that he was Tom Riddle. In fact, he might have implied the story I once posited he spread to the rest of the wizarding public: that he killed Tom Riddle because the boy was a potential enemy. (And Voldemort did kill Tom… from a certain point of view.) The Heir of Slytherin was behind the plot, yes… but from a distance, through an intermediary.

What Lucius might have gathered from Voldemort’s explanation was this: back in 1943, Voldemort took his first step in his rise to power by enchanting the Diary and giving it to Tom Riddle. Perhaps Tom was initially on board with the plan, and Voldemort hoped to recruit him. Tom, controlled by the Diary, put up a message that the Heir of Slytherin had arrived to cleanse the school, cursed several students, and set up Hagrid as a fall guy. If no one bought Hagrid as the culprit, Tom would be the backup fall guy (not that Voldemort told him that, but the boy was bright enough to work it out). That turned out not to be necessary. The test run frightened the school and killed a Muggle-born, but the time wasn’t ripe for a full-on takeover attempt—this was just the opening salvo. Voldemort retrieved the Diary to use again at a later date. He asked Tom which students were most supportive of the Heir’s campaign of terror, and recruited them a few years later. But the incident was too much for Tom, who refused to be involved in any further plots. Voldemort eventually killed Tom when Tom not only firmly refused to be recruited, but threatened to tell someone what he knew.

Whatever discussion Lucius and Narcissa had, and the incomplete scraps Lucius passed to Draco, might not make it clear to an eavesdropping Dobby that the Heir wasn’t actually around this time and that Lucius didn’t believe the Chamber held a real monster. Or maybe Dobby figured a student cursed to attack their schoolmates was just as dangerous to the Great Harry Potter (a half-blood, don’t forget) as a monster. As for his clue about the Dark Lord before he could be freely named… well, if Dobby knew that Voldemort originally gave Lucius the Diary, he might originally have meant that yes, Voldemort was connected to the plot, but no, he wasn’t behind it—one of his followers was. Once Dumbledore referred to the Diary as one of Voldemort’s old school things, Dobby figured out that Voldemort was Tom and revised accordingly in his explanation to Harry. Luckily the warning was still accurate, even if not the way he thought originally.

Whatever Voldemort told Lucius originally, Lucius might have worked out more during the decade he had the Diary and Voldemort was gone. Maybe he did float the idea to Narcissa that the Dark Lord hadn’t used and killed Tom Riddle, but had been Tom, and Dobby ran with that.

I still don’t think Lucius knew about the basilisk, though. That was probably a nasty surprise.

Date: 2021-06-27 12:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chantaldormand
Up until GoF where the ministry and press takes a closer look at how Hogwarts is run I imagine Albus had a free reign when it comes to intercepting and censoring students' correspondence. And with magic censoring letters could be much easier!
Poor Minerva. If Albus spends so much time monitoring students' correspondence I can only imagine how much of his duties end up in her to-do box :/

Hmmm, here lies the problem- we have no idea how mind magic works in the series. The only instances of "enchantments" or mind-controlling spells involve users who (using very loose definition) lives.
Another problem arises with Voldie's definition of "pureblood". We know he kept a half-blood in his Inner Circle and there were (according to Hagrid) rumours of his attempts to recruit Lily and James. And obviously, he went after pureblood families who went against him.
How can Lucius be sure he and his family won't be marked as "enemy of the dark lord" by the enchantment if he avoided jail via bribes and claiming he was mind controlled?

I like to think there is that one investigation reporter who has huge cork-board with all information they gathered, trying to discover Voldemort's real identity. They have over 30 profiles on the board, but Tom's has multiple sticky notes- the most damming evidence for his connection to Voldemort being his facial bone structure.
At some point, the reporter comes to the conclusion that working in retail made Voldie insane enough to topple the government ;P
Edited Date: 2021-06-27 12:33 am (UTC)

Date: 2021-06-27 07:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chantaldormand
As amusing (and terrifying) as it would be if Albus personally spiked students' meals with potions, I agree he most probably used his charisma and fame to manipulate people around him. And he has a perfect setting for it: fame, authority and isolated boarding school full of children who get alienated from muggle world full of psychology textbooks and sensible people.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if he did spike meals of selected individuals. It certainly would explain Harry's more bizarre swings in priorities.

The thing is, most people won't wonder what happened to Tom. Sure he was a good student and Prefect, attended local Toast Masters meetings. Still, he never broadcasted his existence like young Albus. We don't hear about his correspondence with famous scholars or writing articles for professional publications. And after graduation, he took a job below his qualifications.
It's like he wanted to gain enough influence to get the resources he wanted and then slowly fade away from public view so he could come back on his own terms. He probably wanted people to assume that the Slytherin muggleborn student had a hard crash with reality after his graduation and ended up returning to the muggle world.
And the thing is, Voldemort doesn't need to fabricate Tom's fate. He just needs to make sure whoever digs into Voldemort's past stumbles upon background he has control over. I like to pretend Voldemort has this whole fake background where he is the son of an impoverished French pureblood family who was homeschooled. After his family's tragic demise, he packs up his possessions and moves to the UK. Oh, and the fake persona probably starts his feud with WW's government because the person processing his immigration paperwork was asshat to him ;P
But yeah, I imagine Voldemort did some "cleaning" after his interview with Albus.

Pfff, bold of you to assume he wasn't already a Dark Lord. He used his shop to gather information and recruit underlings. Oh, and laundry money for his future projects. When Voldemort started to terrorise WW's population, he used this opportunity to relocate his operations and ditch his birth name ;P

Date: 2021-06-28 06:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chantaldormand
Ok, so here is my take on Tom's "real fate": after quitting his job at Borgin and Burkes he moved back to the muggle world. Finishing only primary school and having a huge hole in his CV Tom ended up working at a local Tesco. He wasn't happy about once again working in retail, but this time potential robber or shoplifter won't try to scramble his brain with mind magic or turn him into a frog. Downside- potential robbers and shoplifters, aren't against using physical violence.
Then in 1957, he died of Asian flu at the ripe age of 28. Truly an ironic tragedy.

Edit: Yeah it was over him specifically being French. The fake identity was moving out of France not long after WWII. Wanting to get away from painful memories and looking for job opportunities he had frontal collision with British bureaucracy and this particular official's xenophoby.

Now, now, Fortescue knows perfectly well that pointless violence and murder is bad for the Business TM. He won't murder his competition like that uncouth French pansy. He is a proud Brit after all! And proud British tradition is solving feuds by writing strong-worded letters to officials. And oh look it isn't his fault the new guy doesn't follow sanitary regulations. After all, why would he plant cockroaches and rats? He is just a humble ice cream salesman!
Jokes aside, I imagine Florean would operate more like Mafioso. His "Dark Crime Lord" persona has relatively good relations with other shopkeepers and business owners as long as they pay him small donations. It's all voluntary! When someone starts to sniff around or doesn't want to cooperate with him, he begins with legal measures (after all, why break the law if you can effectively and cleanly solve the problem with legal methods), then depending on the outcome, he escalates his methods.
He also has quite a profitable potion ingredients smuggling operation and annual auction of well-bred and trained House Elves- only for invited patrons.
As for his history knowledge- at young age Florean decided that knowledge is power, and what is the better way to make smart decisions than learning from someone's else mistakes? At one point, he applied for the History of Magic position at Hogwarts. Albus didn't hire him because it's much cheaper to keep his ghost slave and funnel Bin's salary into his alchemy research budget- Philosopher's Stone research isn't cheap! Florean understands, there are no hard feelings. Nonetheless, he keeps records of his more... interesting clients' purchases well documented just in case.

This was fun writing exercise (●'◡'●)
Edited Date: 2021-06-28 06:21 pm (UTC)

Date: 2021-06-29 03:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chantaldormand
Yup! And DMLE was even nice enough to authorize Aurors to use Unforgivables. By the end of Voldie War I Wizarding UK was an absolute madhouse. I wonder how many people emigrated back then and never returned.

I mean, what Binns is going to spend his salary on? Ghostly brandy to drink during debates with his fellow ghostly scholars? Also, what is the legal status of ghosts? Are they treated like objects? Magical creatures? Fellow witches and wizards? Can you get your inheritance if your ancestor stubbornly refuses to move on?

I hope your nightmare-boss wasn't researching immortality ;P

I don't like the scenario where Tom is killed by Voldemort because he challenged him to a duel. Voldemort goes after Harry because a) he is a madman, b) it's personal and c) he is a drama queen. If early in his career he establishes he will humour any village idiot who wants to duel him instead of ordering his underlings to exterminate the pest, he undermines his reputation as a leader. You have underlings to do tasks below your standing.
Edited Date: 2021-06-29 03:15 pm (UTC)

Date: 2021-07-03 12:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chantaldormand
For a society that is stuck at least a century in the past and has longevity of 21 century, Ghost Law must be a highly complicated and often discussed subject in any high society gathering.

One of the reasons I used muggle world for Tom's demise is just how easy it is for a wizard to adjust a group of muggles to the narrative he wants to weave. And how hard it would be for an average wizard investigating the deed to uncover the truth.

With Tom being an uneasy-associate-to-be-offed or uncomfortable witness, anyone investigating can hit the moment where the lead ends, and they switch to another source/theory. There would be no witnesses or evidence that could confirm Tom's death, so there is space for doubt.

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