Expecto il padrino
Oct. 17th, 2021 08:08 pmA bit of silliness.
I stumbled across the blog post "The meaning of Expecto Patronum: From Hogwarts to Ancient Rome," which discusses the meaning of "patronus" in ancient Rome, and notes that a patron is more like a (legal) Mafia don bribing officials to protect you from the law than a sparkly representation of your soul protecting you against supernatural evil. Which is an interesting choice for the spell, "unless she really intended for Harry Potter to be calling on The Godfather," as the author says.
Of course, others have noted the similarities of the Roman patronage system to modern wizarding Britain. For example,
pharnabazus's 2004 series Expecto Patronus: or how the wizarding world really works. It holds up pretty well despite being written before book six. Dumbledore as a powerful wizarding patron with many clients, which makes him a political heavyweight other patron-networks in the Ministry might reasonably conclude is a threat to their own influence, seems just as accurate after book seven.
Coincidentally, I've been re-watching series one of the original British House of Cards. If you want patronage networks and backroom backstabbing, here you go! Chief Whip Francis Urquhart is such a nice, grandfatherly fellow who appears above all that petty factionalism and can explain how destroying his rivals' reputations and the occasional straight-up murder is really for the greater good. ("This is a mercy killing.") And he knows absolutely everyone's dirty little secrets and how to manipulate them. How very...familiar. Not that I'm saying Dumbledore would ever spike someone's cocaine with rat poison, oh no. He would never--just ask him! And I'm sure it's a total coincidence how many powerful young witches and wizards who threaten his position or don't obey him completely end up dead or otherwise neutralized. Honest.
Still, it raises a probably-most-irrelevant question: is the position of Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot roughly equivalent to Speaker of the House of Commons or Lord Speaker, as I think most fans have assumed, or is it the equivalent of being Chief Whip? I mean, I'm sure Dumbledore knows as much as he can about Wizengamot members regardless, but it would be amusing if his actual job was to know everything and use it to pressure them into voting the "right" way for his faction.
Dumbledore: a version of Francis Urquhart who decided that controlling people behind the scenes was actually a much better job than being the top boss after all?

By Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Fair use, Link
"You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment."
I stumbled across the blog post "The meaning of Expecto Patronum: From Hogwarts to Ancient Rome," which discusses the meaning of "patronus" in ancient Rome, and notes that a patron is more like a (legal) Mafia don bribing officials to protect you from the law than a sparkly representation of your soul protecting you against supernatural evil. Which is an interesting choice for the spell, "unless she really intended for Harry Potter to be calling on The Godfather," as the author says.
Of course, others have noted the similarities of the Roman patronage system to modern wizarding Britain. For example,
Coincidentally, I've been re-watching series one of the original British House of Cards. If you want patronage networks and backroom backstabbing, here you go! Chief Whip Francis Urquhart is such a nice, grandfatherly fellow who appears above all that petty factionalism and can explain how destroying his rivals' reputations and the occasional straight-up murder is really for the greater good. ("This is a mercy killing.") And he knows absolutely everyone's dirty little secrets and how to manipulate them. How very...familiar. Not that I'm saying Dumbledore would ever spike someone's cocaine with rat poison, oh no. He would never--just ask him! And I'm sure it's a total coincidence how many powerful young witches and wizards who threaten his position or don't obey him completely end up dead or otherwise neutralized. Honest.
Still, it raises a probably-most-irrelevant question: is the position of Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot roughly equivalent to Speaker of the House of Commons or Lord Speaker, as I think most fans have assumed, or is it the equivalent of being Chief Whip? I mean, I'm sure Dumbledore knows as much as he can about Wizengamot members regardless, but it would be amusing if his actual job was to know everything and use it to pressure them into voting the "right" way for his faction.
Dumbledore: a version of Francis Urquhart who decided that controlling people behind the scenes was actually a much better job than being the top boss after all?

By Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Fair use, Link
"You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment."
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Date: 2021-11-13 10:13 pm (UTC)One of the few things I think it's safe to say about the Wizengamot is that it's a part-time legislature. Which has plenty of historical precedent, so that's fine. It probably mostly meets over summer (also common historically), conveniently when school is out and Dumbledore has more time for legislating. As the high court, it probably has to deal with a few cases the rest of the year, but probably not that many.
But yeah, how much power membership gives anyone is hard to say. There are about 50 members, who are probably the most prominent members of wizarding society anyway and so they already have a lot of power just by being in the old boys' club. The Wizengamot probably basically is the old boys' club, institutionalized.
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Date: 2021-11-16 09:34 pm (UTC)If it meets in summer then could be twice as interesting- perhaps it could be traditionally compatible with schoolyear so it won't interfere with Wizengamont members' education? Nowadays Hogwarts teaches mostly underaged students, but maybe in past there were classes for adults?
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Date: 2021-11-19 04:53 am (UTC)The ridiculous Hogwarts school song mentions students as ranging from "old and bald" to "young with scabby knees," and given the history of education, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Hogwarts traditionally accepted a much wider age range. It's a lot more likely than the school somehow having a very modern calendar with strict age cut-offs since its founding, centuries before the Muggle world adopted that structure. Both the school schedule and the Wizengamot schedule could have been pretty irregular for a long time, so there's a lot of possible flexibility there.
Though even in, for example, small town governments where all the positions are part-time and they all have second jobs, I'm pretty sure that that there's plenty of work to be done even when they aren't actively meeting. Talking to constituents and learning about their concerns seems like an important part of the job. How would Dumbledore manage that? Just how much time does he spend hanging out in pubs? Or maybe he only has a Wizengamot seat because the Headmaster of Hogwarts automatically gets one, and his "constituency" is the students? He still doesn't talk to them much, though... And this would mean he either had a Wizengamot seat by other means before becoming headmaster, or he was offered the position of Minister several times without even being on the Wizengamot somehow. Which sounds ridiculous, but not impossible, I guess.
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Date: 2021-11-21 04:58 am (UTC)no subject
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