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Prisoner of Azkaban does a good impression of being one of the best-constructed books of the series, as long as you are willing to smile and nod at time-travel shenanigans (which you pretty much have to in any book where time travel appears). But these gaping chasms keep opening up every time I poke at it. For example, Sirius and the mail.

He apparently has no trouble using a friendly cat to draw funds from his bank account so he can mail-order an expensive racing broom. Magic Amazon must be great. (Just one tap with your wand! Except it must be even easier, since cats don't carry wands...) Fine, maybe that the goblins facilitated this because helping a wanted criminal was a great opportunity to subvert wizarding desires or something.

But it never occurred to Sirius to send Dumbledore or Remus a letter saying that Peter was the real Secret-Keeper all along, is a rat Animagus, and is now in hiding as the Weasley boy's pet, which Sirius realized when he saw the rat's picture in the Daily Prophet?

Sure, it sounds implausible, but it would cost them nothing to look at the picture so Remus could confirm that okay, it does maybe look like Peter. It would likewise cost them nothing cast that spell that reverts Animagi to their human forms on Scabbers. If he's a real rat, it shouldn't hurt him. If he isn't, well, they've just caught a secret Death Eater who spends his days in the company of the Boy Who Lived. They could probably even manage this without alerting Ron, if they're worried about how it looks if Scabbers is just a rat. A house-elf could keep an eye on Scabbers and alert Dumbledore the next time Scabbers is napping in the dorm alone so Dumbledore can pop in secretly and test the spell, for example.

So why didn't Sirius try this at any point during the ten-plus months between his escape and the Shrieking Shack confrontation? I mean, really. He had the time, insight, and attention span to worry about his godson's Quidditch equipment troubles and help, but it never occurred to him to warn anyone that Peter was a traitor and a potential threat to Harry?

Even if they ignore Sirius's letter, it probably doesn't hurt Sirius. They already know he's lurking in the vicinity and has mysterious ways of doing things he shouldn't be able to, so sending a letter from Hogsmeade gives away nothing new. They're very unlikely to go explain to what they think is a real rat that he's suspected of being a human but don't worry, they don't believe a word of it, so Peter shouldn't get tipped off either. At worst, they might start keeping an eye on the rat surreptitiously--and would that be bad, if it means they might notice him doing something suspiciously un-ratlike? (Gnawing his leg until it bleeds and smearing it about and then planting cat hair on the smears before running away, for example.)

Okay, maybe it occurred to him and he didn't think the attempt would cause harm even if he failed. Then the reason he didn't try would be...? Um. I'm struggling to think of reasons that don't make at least one character look really bad.

Sirius might have prioritized getting a chance at personal vengeance over anything else. That is, he didn't want anyone else capturing Peter and turning him over to the authorities--he wanted to kill Peter, no matter the cost.

Or maybe he couldn't think of a way to explain Peter's Animagus ability to Dumbledore without spilling the beans about how they all let Remus roam free in school, and didn't want to get Remus in Azkaban-worthy trouble. But then why not warn Remus directly and let Remus investigate? Or come up with a plausible story for Dumbledore, or find a way to let Crookshanks catch Scabbers, or something. At least Remus would be on his guard, which is surely better than nothing.

Or he might have believed that Remus had been in league with Peter all along, and didn't want to risk tipping him off. But in this case, he'd also have to believe that Dumbledore would be incapable of handling things and would confront Remus before examining Scabbers and then leave Remus alone to warn his confederate or something equally disastrous. In which case you have to wonder exactly how bad a vigilante leader Dumbledore was during the first war.

Is there any scenario that makes sense and doesn't make at least one character look even worse than we thought?

Date: 2022-02-20 08:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madderbrad.livejournal.com
But it never occurred to Sirius to send Dumbledore or Remus a letter saying that Peter was the real Secret-Keeper all along, is a rat Animagus, and is now in hiding as the Weasley boy's pet

What's the canon on Dumbledore's knowledge of Sirius's circumstances? Did he know that Sirius was innocent all along? Did he cast the Fidelius and therefore know the identity of the secret keeper? I might be getting mixed up with all the conspiracy theory fanfics I read ... :-)

Otherwise, yeah, just another example of a character not doing X because either (a) Rowling didn't (bother to) think of X, or (b) Rowling didn't allow the character to think of X because that would destroy her story.

Date: 2022-03-01 10:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vermouth1991.livejournal.com
While we're at it, it is some good "Dark Lady AU" fuel that Hermione would curse tattletales to get the word SNITCH over their face but NOT stop them from actually betraying Dumbledore's Army, and we have Voldemort who would give Wormtail a magical hand that will kill him, Dr Strangelove-style, if he betrays Voldemort, but it doesn't stop Wormtail from betraying him, or go off to finish the job and kill Harry in the celler.

Date: 2022-03-04 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nx74defiant.livejournal.com
Sirius isn't thinking much is he? Acting rashly - the Gryffidor way - don't think about prevention, don't plan ahead, don't ask for help.



Date: 2022-03-06 04:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jana-ch.livejournal.com
Maybe Sirius does indeed mistrust both Dumbles and Remus, but the moment he meets his darling Wolfie again in the Shack he is so overcome with love that they both forget all their suspicions in a passionate embrace. Well, it makes more sense than Remus/Tonks.

It doesn't, however, explain Sirius's failure to clue anyone else in about Peter, much less how Feline Amazon works. I guess both Sirius and Remus will go to any length to avoid revealing their youthful crimes as part of the Marauders, no matter who suffers from their silence.
Edited Date: 2022-03-06 05:03 am (UTC)

Date: 2022-03-07 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jana-ch.livejournal.com
This makes sense. By releasing Remus to roam the countryside in a populated area, the Marauders were committing a serious crime. Repeatedly. How many felony counts do you suppose that would be? And I'm not at all sure the wizarding world has such a thing as juvenile court with lower punishments. Being an unregistered animagus is also a serious crime, as we know from Hermione blackmailing Rita with the threat to Azkaban.

Juvenile Court?

Date: 2022-03-08 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terri-testing.livejournal.com
Actually, we don't even have to posit that (though we do know it was unusual for Harry to be tried before the Wizengamot.)

Because it's implied that the crimes continued through 7th year, when they were adults.

Moreover, Sirius's crime of being an unregistered Animagus continues to the present day....

(I did read a fanfic in which Sirius survived and got his trial, post-war. He was sentenced to time served plus an additional decade in Azkaban.)

Something else that may be relevant: at the time James and Sirius were committing crimes in Hogsmeade, they may well have expected that if they were caught, they'd be let off. (So long as they stopped short of murder, which they were fully confident they could do.)

The Potter heir and a Black, even if disinherited, after all!

(And assumed their families could/would protect the other two as well.)

Sirius might well have gone so quietly with the Aurors because he assumed he'd be kept overnight and released, no matter what they thought he'd done. It might have been a serious shock to him when Walburga either wouldn't or couldn't get him sprung.

So he might, once out of Azkaban and pursuing Peter, have realized that if his name didn't save him THEN, it wouldn't save him if his true crimes were now uncovered.

In which case his ONLY chance of safety is to kill Peter, return him to human form, and fudge the tale of how Peter managed to diddle those Muggle witnesses into believing he'd been killed.

Any story that includes Peter's Animagus ability is going to be trouble for him.

Which, huh. Also explains why he never holds it against Dumbles in books 4 & 5 that Dumbles doesn't ever clear his name. He knows his name is unclearable, except so far as betraying James is concerned.

Re: Juvenile Court?

Date: 2022-03-09 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nx74defiant.livejournal.com
(though we do know it was unusual for Harry to be tried before the Wizengamot.)

We don't have any information on how Juveniles are treated differently. Harry is able to agree to the contract in GoF.
His "Guardians" the Dursleys were not there when Harry was brought before the Wizengamot. (They would have hurt Harry rather than help, so he wouldn't want them.) Was that unusual? Do only Wizard parent/guardians count?

Is there any kind of Juvenile Hall?

Sirius state on mind.

Date: 2022-03-09 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nx74defiant.livejournal.com
I really, really tried to cut him a break here on account of Azkaban swizzling his brain for twelve years, but his relatively elaborate scheme to mail-order broom via cat, because he's been carefully following his godson's Quidditch games, doesn't really support that.

Sirius is in much better shape while on the run, than goes downhill in OoP.

Which I think does make sense. When he is on the run he is active. Being in danger is an adrenaline rush.

But being stuck at home is horrible for him. Alone with bad memories. His mother's portrait yelling at him. Kretcher muttering insults him under his breath. Listening in on meeting, but being unable to help.

Sirius doesn't strike me as a guy who is contact to sit at home curled up with a book.

He seems like the kind of person who the lockdown would be very hard. He reminds me of someone I know who the lockdowns was extremely difficult. Not seeing people and being able to do things was not good for his mental health.

Date: 2022-08-05 06:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chantaldormand
PoA is both the best and the worst written book. On the surface it's a well-written book, foreshadowing is real instead of fans searching for phantoms, questions readers were asking are answered and the final confrontation is filled with both action and emotions. And as usual, when it comes to Jo's writings things fall apart when the reader actually pays attention.
But then again Sirius is finally free after 10 years of continuous psychological torture. I guess we should be happy he isn't a vegetable after all this time in Azkaban.
But from the third side, you have to wonder what kind of WW parent wouldn't be suspicious when their kid's pet rat was alive for over 10 years.
I honestly think there is no way to explain PoA reasonably without making anyone insane/dumb/manipulative.

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