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Why did Peter go to Albania and restore Voldemort to power instead of, you know, running away? Why not find a distant corner of the globe where no one would recognize him and where the long arm of Dumbledore didn’t reach and live in relative peace?

Well. Remember what Remus said while literally rolling up his sleeves to murder Peter?

“You should have realized, Peter […] If Voldemort didn’t kill you, we would.”


What would Peter be thinking once he got far enough away to catch his breath?

“Uh-oh, Dumbledore might actually believe Moony and Padfoot and the kids when they tell him I’m still alive and the real traitor. What if he clears Padfoot’s name, or at least helps him escape? Won’t that leave Padfoot at liberty to hunt me down? And it’s almost the summer holiday—Moony will be able to join the hunt in a couple of weeks. And no one’s taught DADA two years in a row in my lifetime, and where else is he going to get a job now? I’m going to spend the rest of my life looking over my shoulder for those two. If I’m lucky. They might actually find me! What options does that leave me?”

You’d think that working for Voldemort is such a terrible job that living on the run while fearing every shadow is a big black dog doesn’t sound that bad by comparison. There’s no Cruciatus, as long as he doesn’t get caught. On the other hand, Sirius is the guy who tricked a fellow student he didn’t like into entering a tunnel with a werewolf. And none of the Marauders ever actually confirmed that Remus wasn’t a willing participant in that plan. Why was he rolling up his sleeves in the Shrieking Shack if he was only planning a quick, clean death? Maybe Peter sincerely believed that whatever Sirius and Remus would do to him was so terrible, and living in fear of it so unbearable, that Voldemort didn’t automatically look like the worst choice.

And why didn’t Dumbledore send Sirius after Peter? Um. I’m sure we would all like to think that Sirius, unlike Quirrell, would be protected by plot armor if he ended up in Albania and would never return to Britain with a spiffy new turban. Or a motorcycle helmet and a sudden obsession with traffic safety. But…well, would you want a Voldemort with all of Sirius’s cleverness and skill at nasty curses to draw on? Me neither.

How he convinced Sirius not to hunt Peter is another question. Though did Sirius know Voldemort was in Albania? Maybe Dumbledore, ah, neglected to mention that, and Sirius was grimly hunting tropical islands for rats between replying to Harry’s letter and drinking rum.

Date: 2022-11-06 02:17 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
I like it when characters have motivations that make sense in-universe!

In GOF Sirius is eating rats while he is hiding in the cave. We don't know when he developed the taste for them.

It isn't clear how many people in the 1990s knew Voldemort was in Albania. In COS Dumbledore has mysterious sources telling him that's where he was, but in GOF there is a moment where someone (can't remember who or when....) makes it a big deal that Bagman isn't doing more to find Bertha Jorkins who has disappeared during a visit to Albania when it is known to be Voldemort's location.

In GOF Sirius is pretty well informed about events that happened during his incarceration (or at least the publicly known version of them). Not sure when he did his research.

Date: 2022-11-09 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arjanenl
Really, as regards Peter, the problem with why didn’t he flee happens waaay before. I mean, why did he even hang around Britain to be caught by the Weasleys? Above all given that, if I remember correctly, his reason for staying at the Weasleys in rat form was fear that free Death Eaters would get him otherwise? Given that reasoning, getting the hell out of dodge ought to have been his first order of business after the first war, not loitering in hopes that a Wizarding family would catch him and use him as a pet.

Date: 2022-11-10 07:08 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
Well, there is a bit of who knew what when there, and a bit of how aware was *Sirius* of the sources of his information. It is possible that the DEs in Azkaban found out that 'Wormtail' was the double-crosser from Sirius' dementor-induced ramblings. If Sirius was rambling about anything it was most likely 'Oh Wormtail, you traitor!' and the DEs could have caught on from there. And Sirius may not have realized they were repeating his own words because he was not aware of what he had been saying. If that was the case then DEs outside of Azkaban had no idea that anyone known as Wormtail was involved in anything.

Date: 2022-11-12 11:24 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arjanenl

I think Peter didn’t just kill Sirius from behind — and hell, openly take credit for it: as far as everyone knew, Sirius was the traitor who sold the Potters to Voldemort and then killed a dozen Muggles in his botched escape. Why hide that you were the one to kill him? It fits the framing — for similar reasons to why Peter was still in Britain: J.K. Rowling needed Sirius around for the “give hope to Harry that he can escape the Dursleys and then yank it away” sequence in Prisoner of Azkaban so around he was even if it made the confrontation between him and Peter a bit silly, what with the frameup specialist not finishing the job. I think a dash of Stupid Evil was also involved, even if it’s one of the worst scenes to invoke that trope in.

And yes, if Peter feared Remus so much that he went to Albania help Voldemort resurrect after Prisoner of Azkaban, it’s all the more reason he shouldn’t have stayed in Britain in the first place: first, he knew of Remus’s situation just as well during the first war so he knew that after it, with the Order of the Phoenix winding down, Remus would be just as free to hunt him down as after Prisoner of Azkaban. Second, he assumes going abroad with Remus both knowing he’s alive and wanting his head on a pike would at the absolute least buy him time — it’s not like Voldie can shelter him before his resurrection and that happens once back in Britain — so he has no reason to assume slipping away when Remus thinks him dead wouldn’t buy him peace…well, so long as he kept his head down, but big flashy actions always seemed to be James’s and Sirius’s province amongst the Marauders.

Edited Date: 2022-11-12 03:57 pm (UTC)

Date: 2022-11-13 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
Unless Peter really wanted Sirius to be tortured in Azkaban... Terri has a drabble series 'Test to Destruction' from March 2014 (not sure if it is safe to post links to LiveJournal?) where Peter develops a lot of resentment to James and Sirius over the years for using him and never respecting him or liking him so he willingly betrays both to Voldemort in revenge. I find that a plausible scenario in light of how they treat Peter in SWM, and when thinking of the implications of their Animagi forms. (I mean, who got the information that went into the map, including the Slytherin common room? And this in a castle full of owls and cats...)

After the first war he could avoid being hunted down by Remus by faking his death. I don't see why the frame-up was incomplete? Sirius was framed for betraying the Potters and killing Peter (plus a bunch of Muggles) If Remus believed Peter was dead he wouldn't be looking for him. Also, since he believed the frame-up he had no negative feelings about Peter, only Sirius. But once remus found out the truth? Yes, now he had a reason to hunt Peter down.

Date: 2022-11-15 09:48 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arjanenl

Even then, I don’t think he could know Dumbledore would chose that time to switch from covering Sirius to throwing him under the bus: after all, a trial with the attendant Veritaserum would have revealed immediately that Peter was the traitor and not Sirius.

For me the frameup is incomplete because even after it he still acts as if it didn’t happen and he were still on the run: if Peter really thought the frameup was successful, what the hell was he doing as a rat for so many years?

Date: 2022-11-09 04:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aikaterini
/Peter, the problem with why didn’t he flee happens waaay before/

Because JKR wanted him to be the traitor and then had no idea what to do with him after he helped resurrect Voldemort. Hence why Peter, the actual traitor, in a series where betrayal is a grave sin ("I loathe a traitor" after all) is treated as an insignificant footnote by everyone. Nobody takes him seriously -- not Voldemort, Snape, Harry, or Remus and Sirius after POA -- because the narrative doesn't. For all of the rage that Harry throws Snape's way, both before and after he finds out that Snape leaked the prophecy to Voldemort, he never shows anywhere near the kind of consuming hatred towards Peter. One would think that Severus Snape was the false friend who betrayed James and Lily to their killer, given the level of loathing that he receives from Harry and Sirius.

And for all that JKR didn't tell us about why Snape joined the Death Eaters, she painted a much more vivid picture of him than she did for Peter. Who is Peter? What does he gain by allying with Voldemort, both before and after Voldemort's fall? What is it about Voldemort that is so compelling that instead of fleeing Britain, Peter chooses to stick around and play the humiliated servant? At least Snape got the headmaster position and a seat at the table in DH. What does Peter get? A silver hand that strangles him in a botched attempt to tie up the 'life debt' thread in DH? Peter is so trivial to everyone else that the actual DH movies forgot about him. He's not in the Malfoy Manor scene, so he doesn't die and it's accidentally implied that he got away at the end.

Date: 2022-11-10 07:12 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
Given Cosmic!Albus' explanation that Harry was able to return from King's Cross to the land of the living thanks to Voldemort's use of his blood in the making of the new Voldie-body, Peter's life-debt was paid when Harry's blood was taken and added to the cauldron. He could have poofed out of existence there and then, except it would take Harry 3 more years to learn how that worked.

Date: 2022-11-12 10:48 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arjanenl
I agree that the Doylist reason is that, like with many characters J.K. Rowling considers minor, she forgot him once he was used (see also Sally-Anne Perks for that). I was looking for a Watsonian reason why would he stay in Britain after the first war, let alone in the lead-up to the second though. Granted, I wasn’t looking that hard: I don’t think there’s one beyond authorial sloppiness.

Date: 2022-12-30 03:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chantaldormand

I like your take on panicked Peter's thinking, but IMHO outside of Jo needing him in right place at right time it makes no sense for Peter to be in 93' in UK.

Hitch ride on a ship as rat to any other country and Peter would be free to live under an assumed name without any problems. In fact, if I was Jo's editor I would try to convince her to introduce Peter in POA as a new character- a muggleborn's pet perhaps?- who did want to get up close and personal with Harry for one or other reason.

Why Albus didn't send Sirius after Peter is pretty easy to answer- because he believed in prophecy and needed someone to put Tom together. Why Sirius didn't go after Peter anyway is slightly harder to answer- I suspect it's guilt. Sirius spent over a decade fermenting in guilt over his actions that lead to his imprisonment. So I suspect that after his interactions with Harry in PoA he remembered he is supposed to be a responsible adult in that relationship who swore to protect Harry. And what with Harry helping him escape I suspect he tried to make a lot of false positive reports- and thus exotic birds which could very well be bewitched birds from private collection.

Date: 2023-01-03 10:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chantaldormand

I never managed to finish Lightning on the Wave's Sacrifice Arc series, but from what I recall they made an interesting twist on Peter's involvement with Voldemort. If I remember correctly Peter was original Dumbledore's spy among DEs before Severus switched sides and he betrayed Potters on Albus' orders. I think that later in the series Harry learns Peter felt really guilty over the whole affair but couldn't go against his orders due to binding magic placed on him...? Hmmm something like that.

Anyway I can dig Peter staying by Harry's side and subtly trying to nudge the trio to either other activities ("the boy is way too much like Sirius and James... And who the hell places powerful artefacts in a school full of teenagers??") or alternatively helping them find answers to mysteries so they won't go stumbling into Forbbiden Forrest to chat with giant spiders.

What always gets me is Peter returning to Voldemort. If Voldemort was already assembled and recalling DEs then yeah, a coward would run to him. But with Peter being officially dead and not a very useful follower, I don't think Tom would go looking for him if Peter hid in let's say New Zealand.

So maybe Peter went to Voldemort in hopes to gain some kind of information to buy back his freedom via spying for Dumbledore? And wouldn't it be so much in Albus' style to keep Sirius GP12 bound, and have ANOTHER spy about whom nobody knew who just happens to be the only person whom Sirius would murder on sight? Hmmm 🤔

Edited Date: 2023-01-03 11:54 pm (UTC)

Date: 2023-03-09 12:53 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arjanenl

Thinking about it, even for J.K. Rowling’s rationale for having Peter around, having him at the Weasleys might well be the worst choice: having him at the Patils — safely in another country until it’s time acting re. Potter — or at a Muggleborn’s — as far as Pettigrew is concerned, Muggles aren’t going to uncover him — could be easily enough understandable. Staying in British wizarding society, for all that British wizards don’t seem to socialise, seems real risky, above all at associates of the one person alive able to recognise his Animagus form.

Date: 2023-03-09 02:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chantaldormand

Honestly, pretending to be a pet in wizarding family is very risky, no matter if Peter stayed in UK or not. First, in wizarding homes, you can cast spells so even if nobody suspects their pet to be an adult man in disguise accidents happen. Maybe startled child performs accidental magic on Peter and their concerned guardians perform some kind of diagnostic spell to make sure kid's pet is ok. Or maybe Hogwarts-aged child tests out some harmless spells on their pet... Possibilities are infinite.

Second, for all lack of common sense wizards tends to know the differences between magical and mundane animals and objects. Magical rats live slightly longer than normal rats, half-kneazles are smarter than normal cats, etc. The only reason Peter wasn't busted by Molly and Artur is sheer dumb luck and both of them being too busy to take a closer look at what their kids are up to.

What I think would be an interesting scenario is Harry accidentally adopting rat!Peter* after the first year (so it wouldn't be obvious to the reader) and then discovering in PoA that his pet rat was the man who for one reason or another betrayed his parents. It gives slightly more omph to emotional impact and considering how selectively perceptive Harry is, it is very plausible.

*obviously in this scenario Peter was never Weasley's pet rat.

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