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* Dumbledore’s beaming at Harry. Yes, Albus, it must be nice to know that Harry now worships you so much that he cares about your reaction more than anyone else’s.

* So how long has Dumbles known that Riddle’s been possessing Ginny? After HBP, I wouldn’t be surprised to know that he’d guessed from the start, but has been sitting on the information to let Harry “try his strength” or whatever.

* “Very few people know that Lord Voldemort was actually called Tom Riddle.” Yes, Dumbles, because you never tell anyone. Which seems somewhat odd, given that the pureblood fanatics who apparently make up his biggest supporters might hesitate at joining a known half-blood. Plus, of course, it’s a lot harder to be scared of Tommy Riddle of Slytherin House than it is of Lord Voldemort, Master of Death.

* On second thoughts, it’s not that odd. After all, the threat of Voldemort provides a useful means of distracting people from the underlying problems facing the Wizarding World, not least of which is the fact that this Machiavellian schoolteacher is controlling everything behind the scenes.

* Seriously, for all his supposed modesty in not accepting the Minister of Magic post, he seems to have acquired a remarkably large amount of influence. He’s already Headmaster of wizarding Britain’s only school, Supreme Warlock of the Wizengamot, Chief Mugwump and head of the International Confederation of Wizards, which in Muggle terms is like being Education Secretary, Speaker of the House of Commons, Lord Chancellor and Secretary-General of the UN all at once. More powerful, in fact, since the Education Secretary doesn’t hire and fire individual teachers, or expel individual pupils. No wonder he wants people distracted by Voldemort.

* Someone really ought to write a parody fic with Dumbledore as this sinister villain controlling everything behind the scenes, and the Death Eaters as a group of noble freedom-fighters trying to overthrow him, who have an unfair reputation as a group of dark wizards due to Dumbledore’s control of the press. Or better yet, Voldemort could be an agent working for Dumbledore, giving the WW something to unite against in order to stop them questioning Dumbledore’s authority.

* I wonder if Dumbledore’s being so lenient to Ginny here because he’s remembering how he was once taken in by Grindlewald?

* For some reason, I now find myself always suspecting the worst every time Dumbledore’s eyes start twinkling. I wonder what he could be up to here?

* Note how it’s Ron who immediately thinks of Hermione being OK. Another clue to Hr/R?

* Special Awards for Services to the School and two hundred points? Hardly an appropriate reward, IMHO. Not only is fighting millennium-old monsters not a recognised extra-curricular activity, making it inappropriate to give them points for it, but a glorified school trophy seems a bit inadequate. They should be given Orders of Merlin instead.

* Dumbledore doesn’t seem surprised that Lockhart tried to memory charm Harry and Ron. So does this mean that he knew all along about Gilderoy’s modus operandi? And he still hired him nevertheless? Remind me again, why is it that Dumbledore’s considered the greatest Headmaster Hogwarts has ever had?

* Harry doesn’t think he’s like Tom, because Harry’s in Gryffindor and Tom’s just a Slytherin. Oh dear. Maybe Voldemort’s idea of abolishing Houses was a good one after all.

* Also, note how Harry thinks “doing well in Slytherin” means “evil”. Yet more evidence of the Houses dividing students and encouraging them to think of members of other Houses as being beneath them. Seriously, it’s like the Founders thought that the WW was too boring, and set up a system purposefully designed to lead to as much civil war as possible.

* This would be an excellent opportunity for Dumbledore to say to Harry, “Look, Harry, I know you don’t like some Slytherin students, but Slytherins are people too, Slytherin House is every bit as good as any other House, and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with being sorted into Slytherin.” Instead, he seems to confirm Harry’s idea that choosing not to be sorted into Slytherin is some sort of moral test he had to pass.

* Getting all psychoanalytical here, I think that maybe Dumbledore knows deep down that he’d have been better-suited to Slytherin than Gryffindor (he’s cunning and manipulative enough, at any rate), and compensates by doing down Slytherin House whenever he can get away with it.

* Only a true Gryffindor could have pulled the sword out of the Hat, apparently. So does that mean that no other House member would be able to receive help from the Hat, or would they have pulled out something equally cool? If, say, Pansy had been taken into the Chamber and Draco had gone down to rescue her, would he have pulled out Slytherin’s crossbow or something?

* I’d like to think that Helga Hufflepuff, at least, would have offered up her weapon (battle-axe, maybe? Mace?) to anyone who needed it, regardless of House.

* So why did the governors want Dumbledore back? When has he done anything to stop the attacks?

* I don’t believe the cursing families part, either. A shrewd political operator like Lucius would never resort to something so obviously illegal. More likely the governors are just trying to cover their backsides in case Dumbledore’s angry with them. You know what he’s like about personal loyalty, after all.

* Come to think of it, does anyone know whether any of the governors went on to mysteriously find themselves in a position where their only option involved doing some humiliating and demeaning job for Dumbledore?

* So Lucius, a man whom even Voldemort described as “slippery”, now virtually goes to pieces the moment his plot’s uncovered. Has JKR been getting the car batteries out again, perhaps?

* If any more of Voldemort’s schoolthings turn up, Mr. Weasley will have them traced back to Lucius. That’s right, one of the main good guys is going to frame his personal enemy based on nothing more than a hunch.

* So “Lucius throws a sock which Dobby happens to catch” is now the same as “Lucius hands Dobby a sock.” Hmm, you’re on shaky legal grounds there, I think.

* Unfortunately, being free doesn’t seem to have changed Dobby’s inherent servility. Even more unfortunately, he’ll be back to inflict it upon us in later books.

* I hope than when Dumbles cancelled all those exams, he just cancelled the internal end-of-year ones, rather than the OWLs and NEWTs. How’re those seventh-years going to get jobs without any qualifications?

* Lucius Malfoy’s been sacked as a school governor. By whom, exactly? Do governors have the power to sack each other?

* Ginny Weasley’s perfectly happy again. She may have recklessly endangered her fellow-students’ safety (why did she write in that diary again? Why?), but none of them actually died, so that’s OK.

* So Percy – who, let us not forget, seems to have cared for Ginny the most out of all the Weasley brothers – has specifically asked her not to tell anyone about his girlfriend, so what does she do? Tell as soon as someone asks. In front of the twins. The best you can say is probably that she’s being extraordinarily naïve; the worst, I suppose, is that she’s maliciously hoping that the twins’ persecution of Percy might amuse her in some way.

* So, to recap, she’s written in this diary even after she suspects it’s possessing her, not told anyone that she’s the one attacking people, and completely betrayed Percy’s confidence. And yet, somehow, I still like this version better than the second one.

* Still, kissing in deserted corridors doesn’t seem particularly IC for the Percy we know. More evidence that he’s not nearly as pompous normally as he is when surrounded by people who constantly try to belittle him?

* And on that bombshell, it’s time to end the read-through. Thanks to everyone who read and commented on it.

 


Date: 2011-01-17 09:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madderbrad.livejournal.com
At least we can give Snape an excuse for going brain blank.

He'd been working for one purpose since 1980 and Dumbledore who told him it was important, just told him, everything you've been doing and the whole reason you've been hanging out with me all these years has actually been a lie.


Incidentally this is the one canon fact that convinces me that Snape was truly redeemed and ultimately a 'good guy' (albeit a nasty one).

I can't really accept that his childish love of 18 years earlier for a girl who rejected him totally and then married his worst enemy was enough to keep him going for all of that time. That he'd put up with whatever stress there was in being a spy upon Voldemort's reincarnation, just for that reason. That he never fell in love with someone else, that 18 years later he was still putting up with everything just for that lost love. This reason for Snape's allegiance rings rather hollow for me; it's another example of the superficial simplicity of Rowling's plot.

Beyond that I hadn't thought much about Snape, but I'd thought he was still a bad guy at heart, that the only thing stopping him from joining the Death Eaters for real was this passion for the lost Lily and the transference of that onto protecting her son.

Yet there's a period there, at the end, where Dumbledore tells him that Lily's son is going to die. And Snape still goes with the programme, still works in concert with Dumbledore's 'plan', even though it will necessitate Harry's death.

I.e. Snape put the 'greater good' ahead of his own personal motivation to protect Lily's son.

So he'd turned over a new leaf and become a 'good guy' after all. Supporting the 'those I could not save' line which otherwise hadn't impressed me much.

I pretty much missed that until it was mentioned on a HP forum and brought to my attention.

But I still wish he'd questioned Dumbledore, so that total ridiculousness of the headmaster's so-called 'plan' - oh, and the plot of Deathly Hallows and in fact the entire HP series - could have been revealed. Curse Rowling for not allowing her characters to expose her flaws even more for all to see!

Date: 2011-01-17 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cured4life.livejournal.com
Curse Rowling for not allowing her characters to expose her flaws even more for all to see!



Probably because she thought she was clever and this wasn't a flaw...

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Date: 2011-01-17 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karentheunicorn.livejournal.com
Yet there's a period there, at the end, where Dumbledore tells him that Lily's son is going to die. And Snape still goes with the programme, still works in concert with Dumbledore's 'plan', even though it will necessitate Harry's death.

I kinda feel the same way, in what you posted.

For Snape to work for me, something had to change in the character. Even looking back on the meeting in Spinners End with narcissa and Bellatrix. Severus did not have to make the unbreakable vow. In fact since Voldemort said Narcissa/Draco was not to tell anyone about it, it stands to reason that Severus could have just as easily been killed for helping them.

Clearly Voldemort was satisfied that Snape killed Dumbledore - it doesn't seem that Draco was punished for not doing the deed. However, this was a conflict to Voldemorts direct order and Snape if he were truly a heartless bastard could have told Narcissa no, OR at the very worst turned Bellatrix and Narcissa in for disloyalty.

Severus already seems to have had the plan with Dumbledore, so the unbreakable vow really served no purpose except to misdirect us into beleving Snape was evil, when in fact he was actually helping his friend Lucius son. It showed a loyalty in Snape that was missed by most readers due to the idea that it ended up being the death of Dumbledore.

So he'd turned over a new leaf and become a 'good guy' after all. Supporting the 'those I could not save' line which otherwise hadn't impressed me much.

Yes, whereas Dumbledore seems willing to sacrifice the nameless, faceless people. Snape seems to come out at least to be more loyal, even to those he doesn't particularly like.

I never got the vibe he wanted to be a death eater anymore - it just never felt exactly right to me, even before the end of the series I was questioning it. i guess it may be because I started out reading and getting into the series after OOTP was published. So I read the first 5 books together in a row.

I don't say I knew for sure that Snape was going to end up having this big part to play but there was way to much problems he caused for the hero for the Snape character to just be another DE. It was way to obvious there was some underline in the history going on, and the subtle hints of various things that made me very suspitious of what exactly was the characters purpose.

But I still wish he'd questioned Dumbledore, so that total ridiculousness of the headmaster's so-called 'plan' - oh, and the plot of Deathly Hallows and in fact the entire HP series - could have been revealed. Curse Rowling for not allowing her characters to expose her flaws even more for all to see!

Didn't the author once say in an interview Snape would be a character she wouldn't invite to dinner. LOL! Maybe thats why!



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