[identity profile] terri-testing.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] deathtocapslock
On the one hand, the Patronus charm has the reputation of being so difficult that many adults can't master it; on the other, not only does super-speshul Harry do so at thirteen, but so do many of his friends two years later--including not only the incalculable Luna, but the never-top-of-the-class Ron, Seamus, and Ernest. Nor can we ascribe their success to Harry's wonderful teaching, for in DH Arthur Weasley and Dolores Umbridge both use the charm with no problem under stressful conditions. Producing, in both cases, fully corporeal patroni, not merely silver puffs.

In fact, we don't have a single canon instance of someone trying and ultimately failing to master the spell. Why, then, its formidable reputation? And why did Harry have such trouble learning it?



Someone pointed out in the "Marietta's True Crime" discussion below that Harry's teaching the DA to cast the Patronus Charm might have alarmed Marietta about the group's intentions, since the only use she knows for the charm is to repel Dementors--the Ministry's authorized Azkaban guards. (Yes, it can also be used against Lethifolds--but not only are those beasts quite rare, they are tropical. Maybe southeast Asian schools of wizardry would teach it as a matter of course to their older students, but northern European ones? No.)

So I posit that the Patronus Charm is not and has not been part of the Hogwarts general curriculum, and that in Britain the only ones who have generally been taught it are those expected to have a need to deal regularly with Dementors: selected law enforcement personnel. Think about this a moment. Aurors would surely be trained to use the spell (summoning Dementors to take custody of the Dark wizards they catch). So too would prison guards. And quite possibly no one else.

Now, people might apply to become an Auror out of romanticism or adventurousness, a desire to serve or a desire to gain power, and they have to be near the very top of their year (five NEWTS) to get INTO the program. But I imagine that prison guards enjoy about the status in the WW that they do in ours. In which case most of the people applying would be on about the magical level of Stan Shunpike: magical drop outs with at most an OWL or two. If they were qualified for a better job, they'd be off doing it.

And Stan, and those on his level of intelligence and competence, WOULD find the Patronus charm (among many others) nearly impossible to learn.

Then it would follow that so as far as the wizarding public would know, the Patronus charm is easily mastered by those wizards and witches at an Auror-trainee's elite level--and everyone below that level is expected to struggle with it.

Now, of course, the OotP, unlike the general population, uses the Patronus Charm to communicate. If the supposition is correct that the general population has never been taught that charm, then Dumbledore may have divined the secondary use way back when he founded the Order and taught his followers it for that reason. Or, he may have taught his followers the Patronus Charm originally because he always expected that Tom, if once he thought of it, would eventually seduce the Dementors, and so Tom's opponents would eventually need to know how to repulse Dementors on Tom's side. Indeed, Albus could even have come up with the secondary use as communicators as an excuse to teach the charm without revealing his suspicions about Tom's ultimate appeal to the Dementors.

However, Fudge knows even less than we Dumbledore's true motives for teaching the Patronus. To him, the fact that Dumbledore's werewolf protege Lupin had known the charm well enough to teach Harry would have ultimately added to Fudge's suspicions about Dumbledore's followers. What did you say, again, Dumbledore, were your reasons for teaching a werewolf, one of Sirius Black's best friends, to cast a Dementor-repelling charm? Did you, perhaps, teach Black himself the same spell, back in the day?

Finally, let's pause for a moment to reflect on Harry's "best evah" DADA teacher's pedagogical incompetence in the Patronus lessons. Lupin explains the spell briefly to Harry, tells him the incantation (doesn't demonstrate any particular wand movement--are we to understand that with the Dark Arts--oops, I mean, Defense--an incantation and intention substitute for the precise pronunciation and exact wand motion required by such subjects as Charms and Transfigurations?), lets Harry try it once and achieve a puff of vapor--all good so far. Then Lupin looses the Boggart for Harry's second and all subsequent tries.

Excuse me, if I undertook to learn marksmanship, I wouldn't expect to be given ONE shot at a target before I was told to try under battle conditions!

Now, in the Boggart lesson this perhaps couldn't be helped--I don't know of any way to tell whether or not a student is casting Riddikulus properly without seeing its effect on an actual Boggart. But the Patronus charm has a visible effect, and normal pedagogical practice would be to let the child practice under controlled conditions until s/he had mastered the spell itself fully--THEN practice trying to cast it as protection against a Boggart-Dementor.

And we see that in the DA, many of Harry's students were producing a corporeal patronus by the end of what was apparently their first lesson--while poor Harry, trying to cast the spell while sinking into unconsciousness, couldn't master the spell for months.

Re: Alternative means to communicate

Date: 2011-11-26 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oneandthetruth.livejournal.com
Nonsense! It's still better than phones, email, and texting. What universe are you living in? ;-)

Re: Alternative means to communicate

Date: 2011-11-26 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
No, Arabella doesn't have any quick alternative. In OOTP chapter 2:
How am I going to tell Dumbledore what's happened, I can't Apparate -

Great job of being inclusive, Albus.

Re: Alternative means to communicate

Date: 2011-11-26 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danajsparks.livejournal.com
Never mind the lack of inclusivity. Why would Albus assign Arabella to keep watch on Harry as he was growing up but not give her a way to quickly contact him in case of an emergency?

Re: Keeping Arabella incommunicado

Date: 2011-11-26 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danajsparks.livejournal.com
Oh, that's right. Albus didn't actually care if Harry died.

Re: Keeping Arabella incommunicado

Date: 2011-11-27 11:34 pm (UTC)
sunnyskywalker: Young Beru Lars from Attack of the Clones; text "Sunnyskywalker" (spandex jackets)
From: [personal profile] sunnyskywalker
But what about Harry being kidnapped, say by some ex-DEs who thought he would make a great new Dark Lord? Surely that would be undesirable enough that you'd want to respond quickly? He might be too well-protected for Dumbledore to arrange his death, wouldn't develop any affection for Dumbledore to allow for manipulation, and if the DEs like their more biddable replacement, Voldemort might never get enough help to come back so he can get killed properly. And even if this Dark Harry goes to Hogwarts rather than being privately tutored or sent to Durmstrang, he might be happy to let this mysterious Heir of Slytherin pick off a few of his classmates - and without Harry's discovery of the Diary, Dumbledore might never realize how many Horcruxes Voldemort made and so wouldn't ever find them all, let alone destroy them... Bad situation all around.

Re: Keeping Arabella incommunicado

Date: 2011-11-28 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danajsparks.livejournal.com
I imagine that Albus would have placed some kind of tracking charm on Harry.

Re: Keeping Arabella incommunicado

Date: 2011-11-28 01:44 am (UTC)
sunnyskywalker: Young Beru Lars from Attack of the Clones; text "Sunnyskywalker" (spandex jackets)
From: [personal profile] sunnyskywalker
Probably, but having a backup in case someone is actually smart enough to disable the charm sounds like a good idea. That's probably the problem - he doesn't believe anyone could disable his super-duper charms.

Re: Keeping Arabella incommunicado

Date: 2011-11-28 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danajsparks.livejournal.com
But if somebody disabled the charm then he'd know right away that Harry had been kidnapped.

Re: Keeping Arabella incommunicado

Date: 2011-11-28 05:17 am (UTC)
sunnyskywalker: Young Beru Lars from Attack of the Clones; text "Sunnyskywalker" (spandex jackets)
From: [personal profile] sunnyskywalker
Unless there's a magical equivalent of putting the electronic ankle bracelet on the cat - say, switching the charm to Dudley instead of just cancelling it - and if the DEs were truly scary villains, they'd know how to do that. Or if he were asleep or in the bathroom and his magical alarm wasn't loud enough to get his attention; maybe he forgets to adjust it as his hearing slowly deteriorates. (I once thought that Dumbledore's watch was like a mini-version of Mrs. Weasley's clock, and so could be something he always had on hand to track Harry and whoever else he assigned to it, but aside from the ambiguous watch-checking he does when Hagrid is late in PS/SS, we never see any such thing. So I'm not sure we can assume that he was that clever.)

If he just wants an occasional update on Harry's general condition and doesn't need emergency notifications, he doesn't need someone permanently stationed on Privet Drive - he could just Disillusion himself and pop by for a day occasionally, or set a magical recording device on the lamppost or something. (Unless he expected kidnapping attempts and thought the DEs would disable a recording device, and wanted Mrs. Figg to... um... report whether she heard any suspicious noises that woke her? That she saw flashes of light through the Dursleys' windows? If they kidnapped him from within the house or while he was at school or just wore hoods, she wouldn't be able to identify him.)

It doesn't seem like Mrs. Figg a good enough profiler to be reporting on Harry's psychology ("superficially rebellious but looking for ideal authority figure to follow" or whatever), not that she interacts with him very often anyway or sees him apart from when he's gardening anyway to even learn much about his psychology. The reports must be something like, "He's still wearing oversized hand-me-downs and the Dursleys still yell. Weather is foggy." So what is Mrs. Figg even there for? I bet JKR didn't think of Mrs. Figg being a Squib until she started writing OotP.

Re: Keeping Arabella incommunicado

Date: 2011-11-28 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danajsparks.livejournal.com
----So what is Mrs. Figg even there for?

She does seem to have a rather pointless task. Filch also has a rather pointless task. This might say something about Dumbledore's attitude towards squibs.


----I bet JKR didn't think of Mrs. Figg being a Squib until she started writing OotP.

Mrs. Figg is listed as part of the "old crowd" at the end of GoF, but I also suspect that Mrs. Figg being a squib in the Order wasn't originally part of the storyline.

Re: Alternative means to communicate

Date: 2011-11-26 08:48 pm (UTC)
sunnyskywalker: Young Beru Lars from Attack of the Clones; text "Sunnyskywalker" (spandex jackets)
From: [personal profile] sunnyskywalker
You'd think he of all people would be able to get ahold of or make a pair of two-way mirrors and give one to the person he's assigned to watch The Boy Who Lived. Surely James and Sirius didn't have the only two in the whole world? Or do you still need to have active magical talent to use the mirrors? But then this leads back to the questions of how Filch can see the ghosts and clean magical portraits... (Maybe he isn't quite a Squib, just so magically weak that he might as well be, and that's why he thinks the KwikSpell course might work?)

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