[identity profile] mary-j-59.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] deathtocapslock
This quote was in our advent bulletin, and it struck me very strongly.
There are no ordinary people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilizations – these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat.

That, of course, is C.S. Lewis. I believe the quote is taken from Mere Christianity. Once upon a time, when the Potter books were becoming enormously popular, Rowling gave an interview - I think in Time magazine. In this interview, she took some pains to distinguish herself from C.S. Lewis. One thing I remember her saying is that her books were different from his because, in hers, the children would be allowed to grow up. One can ask whether, in the end, the trio did grow up. I rather think not. But that's not the major difference I see in the two authors' works.

If you read the Narnia books attentively, you can see that Lewis really believed the extraordinary statement he made above. Yes, from a modern pov, one can read him as racist and sexist. But NO ONE in the Narnia books is condemned because of their birth, social status, or genetic heritage. Everyone has free will and everyone, in the end, can choose to come to Aslan's country. It's up to them whether they will so choose or not.

In the Potter books, there is a sort of Venn diagram of specialness. The vast majority of people are Muggles. They cannot even see Hogwarts, and the special people treat them, at best, with condescension. Inside this large circle is a tiny one, of all the Witches and Wizards. They are the real human beings, the people who matter. Inside this tiny circle, again, is another circle, consisting of perhaps 1/4 of the magical people. These are the Gryffindors, and they are the elect.*

Nobody can choose to be magical, as Calormenes like Emeth and Aravis, Dwarves like Poggin and Trumpkin, beasts like Reepicheep and Puzzle, and ordinary humans like the Pevensie parents can choose to love Aslan. If Muggles could choose magic, Petunia would surely have accompanied Lily to Hogwarts. She didn't. You are either born a Wizard, or you're nothing.

Nor, some fans to the contrary, do you get to choose whether you're a Gryffindor. We've all beaten this dead horse repeatedly, I know, but it's worth repeating. Dumbledore does not tell Harry that our choices make us what we are. He says our choices show what we are. If we choose to be in Gryffindor, that is because we are predestined to be among the elect. If we choose to be in Slytherin, then there is probably no help for us - at least, not as far as I can see.

Against this background of extreme privilege, Rowling attempts to tell a story in which racism is the primary evil. The fact that every Witch and Wizard we see is racist against Muggles simply doesn't matter - because Muggles don't matter. And there is no analysis, in the books, of how anti-Muggle racism leads naturally to anti-Muggleborn racism. It's perfectly okay to mock and torment the Dursleys. But it's not okay to mock and torment Hermione, who is a Witch. It's especially not okay to mock Harry, the hero.

Contrast this, again, with Lewis. He says, ...it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub, and exploit–immortal horrors or everlasting splendours...Next to the Blessed Sacrament itself, your neighbor is the holiest object presented to your senses.

Quite a contrast, isn't it? Whatever you think of Lewis, ask yourself this: what sort of boy would Harry have become if he had realized, even for one moment, that Uncle Vernon and Aunt Petunia were immortals?

Just a thought.

Re: Harry like Jesus -- no, not really

Date: 2011-12-08 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pearlette.livejournal.com
Ha - you are quite right about the dates, Mary, both 25 December and 25 March. The date the Ring goes into the fire is more significant to the tale, IMO. I do think 25 December was always a bit of a teaser. I honestly think the reader can take it or leave it.

I'm not remotely offended by HP because I don't see Harry as a Christ figure for the entirety of the series. I do see some pretty overt Christian symbolism in DH. Still doesn't make Harry Jesus. :)

(And, good grief, if Rowling's writing offends you ... what do you make of Philip Pullman and his preachy atheism in His Dark Materials? Pullman has said he loathes Narnia and his fantasy novels are almost like a direct rebuff of Lewis.)

Re: Harry like Jesus -- no, not really

Date: 2011-12-08 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
Pullman does *not* preach atheism. The worldview of His Dark Materials can be read as either Gnostic Christianity or a form of maltheism (God is real and is evil). A world with real souls and real god-like creatures isn't atheistic. In any case, the biggest problem with Pullman is that he is plain boring.

Pullman

Date: 2011-12-09 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pearlette.livejournal.com
Mary -- heh, yours and your sister's verdicts on Pullman are very similar to mine! I enjoyed the first two books, actually: his universe began to annoy me in the third. He has a terrific imagination and I agree he's a better stylist than JKR. But there's something cold about his books and I couldn't warm to Lyra (in some ways she's a bigger Mary Sue than Ginny Weasley ever is).

I'm not sure whether I would say his writing was misogynist. I can't remember enough about it to comment ...

I agree that JKR isn't misogynist (I've never read a female writer who was ...!) But overall HP is not a feminist fable (which doesn't necessarily make it sexist either. Sometimes I feel that the sort of 'girl power' demonstrated on occasion by Hermione and Ginny is kinda clunky).

I actually find Rowling more toxic.

OK. To me her books are like anything else: you can read into them, or take out of them, what you want.

I am convinced that numerous readers don't notice or care about subtext because they are not interested, or invested, in analysing the HP books to the degree that, say, this comm does. This includes people who think HP is the best fantasy series evah and those who regard HP as fun but nothing much more. So whatever 'toxicity' is supposed to be at work, simply doesn't affect them.

Re: Pullman

Date: 2011-12-10 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
I am convinced that numerous readers don't notice or care about subtext because they are not interested, or invested, in analysing the HP books to the degree that, say, this comm does. This includes people who think HP is the best fantasy series evah and those who regard HP as fun but nothing much more. So whatever 'toxicity' is supposed to be at work, simply doesn't affect them.

The toxicity we aren't aware of is the worst. It becomes part of what we get used to and accept as a normal part of our cultural environment. Without noticing we may end up perpetuating it.

Re: Pullman

Date: 2011-12-10 05:21 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
Well, but what is it that these kids see as the expression of love or friendship? Because Albus explicitly tells Harry that seeking to kill his enemies to avenge his parents is the ultimate expression of love. Is this a lesson about love these kids learned and think of as the normal way to go about life?

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