[identity profile] mmmarcusz.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] deathtocapslock
One thing that bothers me about the twins is that no matter what they do, they get away with it. There are never any consequences. When they sneak Harry out of his house, flying a magic car into a Muggle area, there are no legal consequences and Molly blusters but doesn't do anything. When they more or less ignore how badly Ginny's getting on (as do Percy and Ron), and don't notice she's being bewitched, there's no real guilt.

They give Harry the Marauders' Map - what if he disappeared some day - would they have told the authorities that they gave him a method of sneaking out of school? Or just stayed quiet and hoped things worked out?

They slip Dudley Ton-Tongue Toffees - he could have died, but again no consequences. They win their bet with Bagman (it was never explained how they knew it - maybe they used magical means in an early draft) but never face consequences (given that the Ministry is notoriously corrupt, it's surprising that Ludo is always on the defensive, and never tries to e.g. get Arthur fired or have the twins prosecuted for their illegal testing). And then Harry hands them a pile of cash, because there are no more worthy causes.

In OOTP, they spy on Order meetings (how bad is the security?) but no DEs seem to exploit this. They also drop out of school without qualifications - unlike in real life, where this would lead to months of them sitting about in the Burrow doing nothing, they instead become master businessmen.

In HBP, their shop sells stuff that is obviously dangerous if exploited, but even when the DEs use their powder, no-one blames them for selling it, or questions a society that allows such weapons to be owned.

In DH, Fred is killed, but a heroic death in battle. It would be much more likely for him to be killed in one of the twins' experiments gone wrong - this would actually force George to undergo some sort of reflection or growth as a character - but as it is, it confirms that Fred was great and everything the twins did was great.

Date: 2012-01-25 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] detritius.livejournal.com
This. JK lets her "good" characters get away with way too much, and the twins are probably the most egregious example. (I was so sure someone was going to call them on the DEs using one of their products to break into Hogwarts, but no, nothing ever came of it.) The whole lack of moral responsibility is one of the first things about the series that started to make me wary, even before Dh -- I think CoS, with Ron's broken wand and Catmione, is the last time any of the protagonist suffer real consequences for their actions. I can't think of a single instance in seven books when Harry ever did.

Date: 2012-01-25 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-bitter-word.livejournal.com
Sirius' death?

However, yeah, Harry certainly doesn't dwell, and nobody calls him on his fatal mistakes. The good people are so understanding of the burdens he carries.

It's like Severus is vilified for killing Dumbledore, but Harry is rarely called into account for feeding Dumbledore a cursed potion in the cave, leading to Dumbledore's weakened state and inability to physically deal with Draco. Yet both of them were following orders. Severus can only watch while Voldemort kills Charity Burbage, and the Trio only watch while Voldemort kills Severus. Who get the blame for just watching someone die?

Date: 2012-01-25 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] detritius.livejournal.com
Oh yeah, Sirius's death was Harry's fault, wasn't it? I guess I forget because Harry never takes responsibility for it (he finds a way to blame Snape, doesn't he?) and no one but the readers ever seem to call him on it.

No one Harry respects ever calls him on anything -- the "gallant" Crucio comes to mind -- and any time someone does try to punish him for something he's done wrong, like assaulting certain Slytherins, the person punishing Harry is treated as totally unfair and evil, so Harry never really has to think about what he's done. He gets to feel all persecuted that he doesn't get to play Quidditch instead. Sigh.

Poor Snape. He's one of the few characters in the series that seems to have something like a conscience, and lots of people, including the author, treat him like he's the bad guy. In the situations you mentioned, Snape had the better reason to stand by while someone was dying, because he had to keep his cover in order to potentially save many more lives. Whereas, the Trio just watched Snape die because they're idiots, I guess, and once again, we aren't supposed to think badly of them for it.

Date: 2012-01-26 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] https://me.yahoo.com/a/gNLVidA.xeLuPiOU_2B_USM.HYNFjA--#b0b6b (from livejournal.com)
I think Sirius's death was brought about by a handful of people, including Sirius himself ...

Though as I see it, Fred is far more guilty of pushing Sirius out of doors than Snape is.
Snape and Sirius were enemies - you'd expect Snape to needle Sirius about how safe and useless he is stuck indoors all the time. But then Fred, in a state of anger, said exactly the same thing to Sirius and never apologised afterward.
Being put down by your supposed allies is far worse than being put down by your enemies.

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