[identity profile] mmmarcusz.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] deathtocapslock
One thing that bothers me about the twins is that no matter what they do, they get away with it. There are never any consequences. When they sneak Harry out of his house, flying a magic car into a Muggle area, there are no legal consequences and Molly blusters but doesn't do anything. When they more or less ignore how badly Ginny's getting on (as do Percy and Ron), and don't notice she's being bewitched, there's no real guilt.

They give Harry the Marauders' Map - what if he disappeared some day - would they have told the authorities that they gave him a method of sneaking out of school? Or just stayed quiet and hoped things worked out?

They slip Dudley Ton-Tongue Toffees - he could have died, but again no consequences. They win their bet with Bagman (it was never explained how they knew it - maybe they used magical means in an early draft) but never face consequences (given that the Ministry is notoriously corrupt, it's surprising that Ludo is always on the defensive, and never tries to e.g. get Arthur fired or have the twins prosecuted for their illegal testing). And then Harry hands them a pile of cash, because there are no more worthy causes.

In OOTP, they spy on Order meetings (how bad is the security?) but no DEs seem to exploit this. They also drop out of school without qualifications - unlike in real life, where this would lead to months of them sitting about in the Burrow doing nothing, they instead become master businessmen.

In HBP, their shop sells stuff that is obviously dangerous if exploited, but even when the DEs use their powder, no-one blames them for selling it, or questions a society that allows such weapons to be owned.

In DH, Fred is killed, but a heroic death in battle. It would be much more likely for him to be killed in one of the twins' experiments gone wrong - this would actually force George to undergo some sort of reflection or growth as a character - but as it is, it confirms that Fred was great and everything the twins did was great.

Date: 2012-01-27 03:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dungeonwriter.livejournal.com
For a pompous brother, does anyone ever doubt he'd help them in a pinch? Besides being pompous and stuffy, what else can anyone accuse him of?

He's ceaselessly loyal, as you mentioned above to a brother who barely tolerates him.

He cares for his younger sibling.

He tries to impress his dad.

He is good to his mother.

He's a nice boyfriend, who is worth sneaking into classrooms.

He's a loyal, fair and diligent prefect, headboy and worker.

He's never betrayed anyone, despite the accusations.

In fact, had he wanted, he could have denounced his family to the ministry, and he never did.

His only crime is being a stuffy older brother to the best friend of a main character, who has no use for him.

Date: 2012-01-27 05:33 am (UTC)
sunnyskywalker: Young Beru Lars from Attack of the Clones; text "Sunnyskywalker" (Default)
From: [personal profile] sunnyskywalker
Making a bet he couldn't cover? (Over a Hogwarts Quidditch match, with his girlfriend, for an amount which could fairly easily be covered if he asked a couple of friends for a tiny loan he'd pay back soon, so is not exactly srs bzns.) That's not such a terrible crime...

He also charged in to oppose the mob at the World Cup with his brothers, so he also tries to protect people from mayhem and has physical courage despite not being a Beater, dragon-wrangler, or curse breaker.

Date: 2012-01-27 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dungeonwriter.livejournal.com
It was 10 galleons, which is 100 bucks. A lot of money, but nothing obscene considering as you said, he likely could cover it with some small loans but I predict it wasn't serious as they were boyfriend and girlfriend and they'd forgive each other debts but he was a bit worried about looking poor.

That was incredibly brave of him, he has every reason to believe the Mob will try to kill him and he runs in without a second thought. I'd be up a tree, trying to blend in.

Date: 2012-01-27 06:54 pm (UTC)
sunnyskywalker: Young Beru Lars from Attack of the Clones; text "Sunnyskywalker" (Default)
From: [personal profile] sunnyskywalker
Exactly. It isn't a negligible sum, but given their relationship and the possibility of loans as a fall-back (and you know Percy would pay back his debts, with interest calculated to the knut!), it isn't going to be a major incident, most likely. So it's a bit foolish, but nothing I'd particularly hold against him.

I've always said that if I ended up in just about any SF/F universe, I'd probably be that cowardly sidekick (or henchman) hiding under the table! Some people just have better nerves for it, and I'm not one of them :D However, given that Percy doesn't make a habit of getting into physically dangerous situations, it probably took a more courage for him than for, say, Bill, who does dangerous stuff all day supposedly, just for sheer lack of practice if nothing else. Very admirable.

Date: 2012-01-28 07:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oneandthetruth.livejournal.com
That was incredibly brave of him, he has every reason to believe the Mob will try to kill him and he runs in without a second thought. I'd be up a tree, trying to blend in.

That explains why you're on this cowardly loser forum, instead of one of the Rowling sycophant sites. You just don't have the courage to appreciate the Gryffindor mindset. ;-)

Date: 2012-01-28 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dungeonwriter.livejournal.com
Yeah, the better part of valor is discretion. I'm not Anti-Rowling, I admire a lot of her world building and whoever did her marketing. I did like the movies a lot, I liked Luna and Snape and all, but some things just bothered me.

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