OotP Chapter Thirty-Five
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deathtocapslock*If I were a DE, I would have put everybody except Harry in a body bind right away. But that’s because I don’t understand the Dark Lord’s wisdom. And I’d want to get out of there and go home.
*Bellatrix is really annoying. Sad, really, because she could be scary, but she starts off with the baby talk and there’s nowhere to go. Voldemort’s plan with Sirius wasn’t that clever, Bellatrix. Calm yourself. ETA: Seriously, here I almost wouldn't mind Molly barging in and doing the action movie thing.
*Okay, Lucius says he knows Harry has a weakness for heroics. He also knows Harry thinks they have Sirius. So why does he say, "Give me the prophecy or we start using wands." Why doesn’t he, instead, say, "Give me the prophecy and Sirius will be safe." The DEs are like idiot children so eager to tell Harry he’s been tricked they lose their advantage. Poor Snape—is this why he left? ETA: NO HE LEFT BECAUSE OF LILEEEEEE!!
*But the DEs did not strike. Yeah, um, why not? Do they actually not like to hurt innocent people?
*Shut UP Bellatrix! Crazy/good; irritating/bad.
*Harry has no interest in the sphere. He just wants Sirius. Yet the DEs choose not to take advantage of this, and instead force him to fight for something he would have happily handed over. Too bad there are no people here who are supposed to have been sorted into a house for cunning. Oh wait...
*Remember when Draco tricked Harry and Ron out of their rooms for a duel so that they’d get caught and expelled in first year? I think that remains the absolute best evil plan in canon. ETA: It's official now. All the entries are in and Draco's plan wins.
*Come to think of it, Malfoy’s plans in general are beginning to look pretty smart by comparison. Draco for Dark Lord!
*Yesterday (eta: years ago) I was saying to somebody how I’d love to read an intelligent, gripping story of the Lucius/Snape friendship, possibly one they both thought was over when Snape defected, but was reborn through Draco being at school. I can’t help but think of it here, with Lucius trying to get a handle on his idiot colleague (never bring a woman on a serious mission) and yet still being unable to do the logical thing and use Sirius to get the prophesy. I can just imagine he and Snape bonding over the idiocy they are forced to live. ETA: What interesting Lucius/Snape friendship? They're friends because sometimes it helps the plot.
*"Do not play games, Potter," said Lucius. I get enough of that shit with Voldemort.
*Lucius helpfully takes time out of his secret mission to give us some exposition about the prophecy. Even though telling Harry about how nobody can take it off the shelf but him gives Harry some help. Oy.
*Apparently this mission is not at all time-sensitive. They’ve got all the time in the world to bicker, gloat and explain.
*Does Lucius feel silly wearing a mask since Harry knows who he is? I would.
*Bella’s reason for why the Dark Lord can’t just walk into the MoM and take the prophecy himself (which he’s gonna do in a minute) actually illustrates why he should have walked into the Ministry and taken it himself. If they’re sweetly ignoring his return they’d hardly be waiting for him, right? Do most people even know what he looks like? Could he not take some polyjuice? THIS IS THE DUMBEST PLAN EVER!
*Sorry about that outburst. The capslock is relentless in this chapter and apparently it’s catching. I’m surprised even the smashed prophecies aren’t yelling to be heard.
*Course, I’m also surprised 12 people can yell at each other and smash things in what’s supposed to be a well-guarded area without drawing any attention at all. It took more planning and discretion to get in and out of the Slytherin Common room for 20 minutes. ETA: And will take more planning and discretion to get into the MoM in DH. Voldemort for Minister: He'll Give The MOM Minimal Security!
*The Dark Lord knows Harry is "not unintell—" Good choice of words there, Lucius. He knows, as the villain, that he's required to show respect for Our Hero because he's a worthy opponent etc. (it's in his contract). He can’t quite make himself say Harry is smart but, in this universe, he’s not unintell.
*Lucius may have been saying that the Dark Lord knew Harry was "not unintelligible", in admiration of the capslock.
*There’s something so wonderful about the fact that Harry’s prophecy is so important but prophesies about other people can be destroyed willy-nilly. Not that I think that’s such a loss—prophesies seem to always be more trouble than they’re worth, and it’s not like if you destroy them they don’t come true or not.
*Yeah, that makes this whole secret plan pretty much a waste of time from my pov. In case that wasn't already obvious.
*Nott has been seriously injured. If Theodore is expected to have a reaction to this, it could go either way. He could decide he hates the DEs for leaving his father instead of helping him or Nott may now have a death wish for Harry and his friends. ETA: Nott who? Why would he come up? Nobody has reactions to anything Harry does unless the plot needs them to have one.
*Thanks again to Lucius for not only speaking so that everybody can hear him, but for calling everybody by their name so we know exactly who is where. Why do DEs wear masks again? Oh right, because they impair vision.
*Hermione just narrowly escaped the killing curse. Makes me wonder about the Potters, who both seemed to have choked when the wand was pointed at them. ETA: Hermione misses another one in DH, doesn't she? In the RoR?
*Wizarding fighting seems to completely depend on who can shout words faster, and the DEs always lose. Training must involve a lot of tongue twisters drills. ETA: Unless you're doing the soon-to-be-introduced-but-it-hasn't-been-yet-so-the-bad-guys-won't-use-it-consistently Worldless Magic.
*Hermione's bizarre code of ethics appears again: a DE whose head has been stuck into something that makes it look like a baby is no longer a DE. ETA: This is obviously foreshadowing of one of the future lesson that learning to enjoy the hurt of things that look like babies is the highest form of moral development.
*Hermione’s buried in books. Very symbolic yadda yadda yadda.
*Neville, carrying Hermione, insists on coming with Harry blah blah blah. Lucius’ "Leave Nott because the mission is more important," suddenly sounds fairly noble. At least it wasn’t all the DEs refusing to take him to safety because they’d miss out on the heroics. How effective in a fight can Neville be with the dead weight of Hermione on him? Is she going to be a shield? (Note that in fanon, she would be levitated by now.)
*Also, I just now realize it’s nice that the DE’s instinct was apparently to care for Nott. ETA: And by nice I mean cowardly.
*Ginny’s injury is the coolest. Look at her bravely grimacing and pale with her broken ankle (she didn’t just twist it in a girlie way) while Ron lurches around like an idiot.
*How skinny are wands? Luna’s got hers behind her ear, and Parvati uses hers to curl her eyelashes.
*Harry helps Ron just as he had helped Dudley. Remember the beginning of the book and how Harry was heroic and helped his cousin? Okay, then we can go on.
*Villains never have good aim.
*The DEs politely stop and watch Ron attack himself with a brain rather than using Harry’s distraction to their own advantage.
*To the DE who hit Ginny in the face with something—what’s your favorite flower because I’m sending a bouquet. ETA: Should I be frightened that I just totally stole Draco's line in HBP that I hadn't yet read at the time?
*Harry and Neville are the only two left fighting the DEs. Those prophecy boys are Hard To Kill.
*Again Harry actually offers to GIVE the DEs the prophecy, and they refuse.
*Neville arrives to be brave again. We get it.
*Lucius finally agrees to take the prophecy from Harry’s willing hands—just as the Order shows up! That was unexpected!
*Lupin, Sirius, Moody, Tonks and Kingsley (but not Snape) arrive wearing buttons reading Dramatic Reversal. They put down the shopping bags containing the groceries they stopped to buy on the way over, which is why it took them so bloody long.
*Apparently, none of them thought to alert anyone in the Ministry, even though as Aurors you’d think they’d be listened to. I guess they knew how important it was to the kids that they do this themselves.
*The Order is now raining spells down on the DEs, because they’re allowed to fight like grown-ups and the DEs aren’t.
*Neville thinks Ron is okay, since he was fighting the brain when he left. Um, wasn’t the brain suffocating him before? So the brain isn’t dangerous? (Alternately, Ron-fans hope Ron is receiving Special Powers from the brain because dammit, why can’t Ron have Special Powers? ETA: Suck it, Ron fans.)
*Sirius and his DE are dueling so fiercely their wands are blurred. Why weren’t the DEs this fast when they were fighting a bunch of kids? And btw, I’m not sure why the wands are blurred. It’s not like sword fighting; you point the thing and yell. The complicated wand movements disappeared books ago.
*Oh, apparently it is like sword fighting now, because sword fighting is cooler, and it makes Sirius seem more like Errol Flynn.
*Is it possible somebody put some sort of spell on Harry and his friends so that no matter how competent the person is proving himself to be two feet away, they’ll be sure to sink to their level when they're the target?
*Dumbledore shows up and apparently everybody is saved. I assume he was just biding his time giving Neville and Harry enough time to prove themselves before he stepped in. He’s such a great teacher.
*Sirius falls through the veil in mid-taunt. Harry feels one of those surges of affection where someone he barely thinks about unless he needs him becomes someone he loves deeply because THE UNIVERSE HAS TAKEN THEM AWAY!
*Lupin tries to jump through the veil after Sirius, and is dragged back by Tonks, thrashing and wailing he has no reason to live now that he’s lost the love of his life again after they’d just reconnected and resumed their regular tender lovemaking.
*Oops. Actually Lupin calmly holds Harry back and tells him Sirius is gone without even an adverb to suggest emotion.
ETA: Again, very funny that I wrote that whole Tonks dragging Lupin away there when I wrote that pre-HBP. Of course I know now that what would happen was Tonks would drag Lupin away and he'd sit fretfully for a while, then he'd jump through the veil anyway and she'd jump after him.
Exploitation Filmmakers’ Credo (n): "Come on, these dummies can’t remember what they saw five minutes ago!"
How many times will Harry offer the prophecy before they accept it?
Hero’s Death Battle Exemption
Even with the handy excuse that the DEs are trying to protect the prophecy which gets destroyed anyway, it applies to Neville big time. It also applies everytime a DE manages to miss his/her target.
IITS
Why don’t the DEs just body bind everyone but Harry in this first second? Why don’t they let Harry give them the prophecy the first 4 times he’s ready to hand it over? Why do they suck so very very much?
Idiot Picture
Oh, it doesn’t get more Idiot Picture than this.
Idiot World
You know that cute commercial starring Maria Sharapova and her Pomeranian, Dolce? Dolce could outwit Voldemort and the DEs in less time than that commercial. ("No, YOU come on!")
Informed Attributes
The DEs are really scary and very skilled in the art of fighting.
James Bond Exposition Rule
Yes Lucius, I’m looking at you. Any other details about this year long plan you want to let us know about before you get caught?
Ken and Andrew’s Rule of Plot Holes
So I guess the security of the MoM is all asleep and the Order had to finish their game of Risk before they started out for the place.
Ken’s Rule of Guns
Counts for wands too.
McGuffin
Everybody really wants the prophecy...for some reason. But if it gets destroyed by accident it will make...no difference whatsoever.
Nut o’ Fun
There should be these, but I’m so tired of this place by now none of them hold my interest.
Superfluous Racking
I know Lucius doesn’t actually have a gun, but he’s symbolically racking one throughout this entire bloody chapter.
Final score: 16
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Date: 2008-06-20 03:56 pm (UTC)For instance, this, "Nobody has reactions to anything Harry does unless the plot needs them to have one." is obviously about author stupidity. As opposed to the whole plan at the Ministry being incredibly moronic.
In GoF, Voldemort's plan was long, yes, but it needed to be long in order for the book to have an actual plot. The readers had to see what was going on with the tournament, etc. Had Voldemort just dumped a portkey in the form of, say, Potter's owl, then he'd get Potter sooner, of course, but then the tournament may have been cancelled, etc. And GoF wouldn't have been as long as it was and, well, you get where I'm going.
The point is that Voldemort's plan, while long and tedious, worked because it had to work. I doubt Rowling could've made the entire series about Voldemort trying to return and constantly be unable to do so all through book seven.
As for Voldemort's plan here, we have the exact same formula. It's long because Harry had to go through his school year and deal with the obstacles at Hogwarts. Had Voldemort just waltzed into the Ministry with polyjuice, he would've retrieved the prophecy and who knows? He may have just walked away from the whole Potter thing. At the end of this book, he's quite casual about Harry. Just a quick AK here and, "I'm done with you" sort of thing. I don't know why his obsession with Potter suddenly came back in the seventh book but that's another rant for another day.
In short, Voldemort's plans work for the convenience of the author and not for anyone else. They'll succeed when he has to succeed but will fail when he must fail, which feels completely pasted on due to the discrepancies - and they are major discrepancies - that have to go with when the plan fails. For instance, the lack of silent spells and the lack of extremely violent curses that one would think dark wizards knew how to use.
Voldemort, and by extension the Death Eaters, need to be continually dumbed down. It's a small wonder that Voldemort reigned within the wizarding world before he was blown up at Godric's Hollow. There wasn't any Harry to follow then and make his plans long and complicated.
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Date: 2008-06-20 04:03 pm (UTC)Dementia for picking one up off the *shelf*?
And for that matter, we know what a Pensieve is. Have someone, anyone, go in and smash it with a hammer and replay their memory of the damned thing!
Part One
Date: 2008-06-20 04:21 pm (UTC)Yeah, I think I could have gotten behind it here as well. What a let down Bellatrix was from that scary regal woman in GoF! You just know she's been staying with the Malfoys since her breakout from Azkaban and driving Lucius crazy. "Does Wucius want some butter on his toasty woasty?" "Just pass me the damn butter, Trixie."
*Shut UP Bellatrix! Crazy/good; irritating/bad.
Oh, come on, Magpie! Weren't you rooting for Bellatrix to torture Ginny? I was! It wasn't even that I disliked Ginny then. But it might have moved the plot forward.
*Remember when Draco tricked Harry and Ron out of their rooms for a duel so that they’d get caught and expelled in first year? I think that remains the absolute best evil plan in canon. ETA: It's official now. All the entries are in and Draco's plan wins.
Hehe. I knew there was a reason I liked that boy!
*Does Lucius feel silly wearing a mask since Harry knows who he is? I would.
Apparently he did in the movie, since the director thankfully had him take it off. Of course, it hardly helped because he was wearing what some fan described as a Dolly Parton bustier underneath.
*Bella’s reason for why the Dark Lord can’t just walk into the MoM and take the prophecy himself (which he’s gonna do in a minute) actually illustrates why he should have walked into the Ministry and taken it himself. If they’re sweetly ignoring his return they’d hardly be waiting for him, right? Do most people even know what he looks like? Could he not take some polyjuice? THIS IS THE DUMBEST PLAN EVER!
Moreover, how did Voldemort imagine so exactly what the Minstry of Mysteries looked like if he'd never been there? How did they get that money shot of Sirius being tortured? Did they recreate the Hall of Prophecies in a warehouse somewhere and use that hair Bellatrix saved from Azkaban to polyjuice McNair into Sirius? Inquiring minds want to know!
*Course, I’m also surprised 12 people can yell at each other and smash things in what’s supposed to be a well-guarded area without drawing any attention at all. It took more planning and discretion to get in and out of the Slytherin Common room for 20 minutes. ETA: And will take more planning and discretion to get into the MoM in DH. Voldemort for Minister: He'll Give The MOM Minimal Security!
Only because the Trio overthink every plan. And yet, they still end up flying by the seat of their pants.
Part Two
Date: 2008-06-20 04:24 pm (UTC)What I can't help wondering is whether they keep those prophecies after the people involved are dead or whether they clear them out periodically. Incidentally, there's a prophecy about Lupin on the shelves. It goes: Keep away from pink-haired ladies. You're GAY already!
*Hermione just narrowly escaped the killing curse. Makes me wonder about the Potters, who both seemed to have choked when the wand was pointed at them. ETA: Hermione misses another one in DH, doesn't she? In the RoR?
The Potters didn't have their wands. Apparently, wands affect reflexes.
*Neville arrives to be brave again. We get it.
Funny. What I got was that Neville arrived to make Harry look good by getting hit with all the hexes, dancing around like an idiot, and then clumsily breaking the thing that was so damn important. You know, Neville. He means well. But all that ever happens for his efforts is that he ends up looking silly next to Harry. (Until DH, when he kicks Harry's ass all over Hogwarts.)
*Lucius finally agrees to take the prophecy from Harry’s willing hands—just as the Order shows up! That was unexpected!
I have a confession to make. A few days before the film version of OotP came out, I was eager enough to go to the page on IMDB, where someone claiming to be a stand-in on the film was posting pages of the script. I thought it had to be a hoax, when I saw it contained lines such as:
Bellatrix (cooing): Is wittle baby Neville all gwowed up now? How are your pawents feewing?
Neville: Better now that they're about to be avenged!
and
Sirius: Get away from my godson!
But, alas. It was the real deal.
*Neville thinks Ron is okay, since he was fighting the brain when he left. Um, wasn’t the brain suffocating him before? So the brain isn’t dangerous? (Alternately, Ron-fans hope Ron is receiving Special Powers from the brain because dammit, why can’t Ron have Special Powers? ETA: Suck it, Ron fans.)
As near as I can figure it, the brain did the following to Ron: It took away his chess and strategy skills, and any cooking skills honed from years of helping out Molly in the kitchen. It also took some indefinable part of his relationship skills with Hermione, putting him back about two years in that development.
In return, he apparently got some mad skillz in mimicry, and a big shot of hormones.
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Date: 2008-06-20 04:38 pm (UTC)No doubt Sirius's death is with Harry like a presence.
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Date: 2008-06-20 04:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-20 05:16 pm (UTC)That is all.
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Date: 2008-06-20 05:25 pm (UTC)This was, I think, done a lot better in the film. No crazy pointless rooms, fewer acts of bad aiming, duels that looked like duels, and the fact the the kids really were incompetant (as soon as the order arrived they hid them all in safety, which is exactly what you would do, they are schoolchildren not warriors).
It so almost managed to hide the fact that the whole plan was even more pointless and crazy than the plot of GoF.
:)
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Date: 2008-06-21 12:21 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-21 12:24 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-21 12:29 am (UTC)Re: Part One
Date: 2008-06-21 12:34 am (UTC)Re: Part Two
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Date: 2008-06-21 12:36 am (UTC)Re: respect
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Date: 2008-06-21 01:36 am (UTC)If I'd been paying better attention, I think the general laziness of the character's magical prowess (all that stuff you've mentioned: lack of levitation, body binding, noticeably more advanced magic on the part of the adult DEs) should have been an early clue to JKR's lazy writing. Which, in turn, would have prepared me better for the sloppiness that was DH.
Because yeah, within fanon people did such things with the magic JKR created. Coming up with enjoyable and believable heist stories, and mysteries, and such. It was like JKR never really realized the depths she could have explored. All of her magic was meant to get from point A to point B, and quickly forgotten so she could force the plot along to point C.
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Date: 2008-06-21 02:04 am (UTC)Re: Part One
Date: 2008-06-21 02:52 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-21 03:01 am (UTC)(Okay, it was SGA writers talking about dialing back some of the dreamed up alien-tech -- because that's my life right now. *g*)
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Date: 2008-06-21 03:38 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-21 03:50 am (UTC)They might have had to work to get a message to Dumbledore wherever he was hiding. He does show up separately and a bit later. We can't have the battle without him! People might start to think they don't need him for this whole Dark-Lord-fighting business.
*Apparently, none of them thought to alert anyone in the Ministry, even though as Aurors you’d think they’d be listened to. I guess they knew how important it was to the kids that they do this themselves.
Ha! More like they have the same "I need to be the one to save the day!" problem as the rest of our heroes. Bringing in the Ministry would steal their glory. I love to knock Dumbledore for starting his own little army, but I bet Order members are just as thrilled to be part of this secret force not beholden to the government.
*Sirius falls through the veil in mid-taunt. Harry feels one of those surges of affection where someone he barely thinks about unless he needs him becomes someone he loves deeply because THE UNIVERSE HAS TAKEN THEM AWAY!
I just want to say that the first time I read it I just did not get that Sirius had died. I got kind of bored and wasn't really paying attention during this chapter. I skimmed until I hit the bit with Lupin and Harry and kind of went "Wait, Sirius is what?" I had to reread that page a few times before I got it and moved on. And it wasn't like I was upset that he died; it was just that I wasn't feeling the whole mystical death portal thing. I kept thinking, "Okay, so Sirius fell into some curtains..."
Which at least is not as bad as one of my friends, who actually finished the book without noticing Sirius had died. We were talking about it right after we'd both read it and she basically went "Sirius died? The hell are you talking about?" when I brought it up.
I don't think the ending of this book was as... gripping... as the previous ones.
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Date: 2008-06-21 06:11 am (UTC)Now, I think my brain just refused to accept that Sirius had died by drapery, and created an alternate and more sane storyline from whole cloth. O_o The absurd thing is that my major change in his death-story doesn't change a THING when it comes to the following canon. Oh, hi, Harry, your uncle just died by means of the Veil. Don't expect this to be a major plot point. (Hell, it would have given him more dignity if he HAD been Kissed. At least he would have gone down fighting.) *HEADLAPTOP*
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Date: 2008-06-21 06:17 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-21 08:25 am (UTC)Petrificus Totalus was apparently a throw-away spell. She DOESN'T reread her own books.
*Remember when Draco tricked Harry and Ron out of their rooms for a duel so that they’d get caught and expelled in first year? I think that remains the absolute best evil plan in canon. ETA: It's official now. All the entries are in and Draco's plan wins.
*STARES* You can't be serious! That was actually in the books? There was actually a semi-cunning plan in the books?! You must have this confused with a fanfiction. It's way too cunning to be canon.
THIS IS THE DUMBEST PLAN EVER!
You know, early this morning, I was sporking bad fanfiction, and complaining constantly about how I couldn't believe the author was portraying SALAZAR SLYTHERIN as a brash imbecile who couldn't plot his way out of a paper bag. I repeatedly asked rhetorical questions about "Does this author understand the values of SLYTHERIN HOUSE?"
...I think I see where the author got that idea from.
*Course, I’m also surprised 12 people can yell at each other and smash things in what’s supposed to be a well-guarded area without drawing any attention at all. It took more planning and discretion to get in and out of the Slytherin Common room for 20 minutes. ETA: And will take more planning and discretion to get into the MoM in DH. Voldemort for Minister: He'll Give The MOM Minimal Security!
I think I was actually wondering during my first reading where everyone WAS. I now also think I realize why my brain has an enormous blank spot where a lot of the events of OOTP should have gone, and why I literally learned about the plot of OOTP from fanon. IT'S THE KING OF ALL IDIOT PLOTS!
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Date: 2008-06-21 10:55 am (UTC)If Ginny was truly cool, she'd be running a marathon on it. After all, idiot Ron stood on a broken leg two years earlier.
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Date: 2008-06-21 02:33 pm (UTC)I think all the running around in different rooms in the MoM must have been an attempt to confuse us so we wouldn't ask these questions.
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Date: 2008-06-21 02:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-22 12:17 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-23 12:06 am (UTC)sistermagpie: *Wizarding fighting seems to completely depend on who can shout words faster, and the DEs always lose. Training must involve a lot of tongue twisters drills. ETA: Unless you're doing the soon-to-be-introduced-but-it-hasn't-been-yet-so-the-bad-guys-won't-use-it-consistently Worldless Magic.
Freudian slip?
sistermagpie: *How skinny are wands? Luna’s got hers behind her ear, and Parvati uses hers to curl her eyelashes.
Well, we already know from Mr. ollivander that Krum's wand is really thick and made of hornbeam, a strong wood.
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Date: 2008-06-23 12:39 am (UTC)Re: respect
Date: 2008-06-25 05:10 pm (UTC)Like several other posters below, I had kind of the opposite reaction. I was so busy saying "this is the most ballsed up evil plan ever, are these guys supposed to be scary?" that I failed to notice that Sirius fell through the Symbolic Door of Death.
And when I did finally twig, I couldn't get the phrase "Prod Death" out of my head.
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Date: 2008-06-25 05:13 pm (UTC)Fool.
- Dan Hemmens
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Date: 2008-06-25 05:55 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-25 09:37 pm (UTC)Which is ironic, because for Sirius himself it was, of course, faster and easier than falling through a curtain.
Sorry, I mean "than falling asleep".
- Dan Hemmens
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Date: 2008-06-26 07:42 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-26 08:13 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-27 01:05 pm (UTC)Re: Part Two
Date: 2008-07-02 06:23 pm (UTC)Re: respect
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