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The Fallen Warrior

Previously on Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: After an exciting chase through the skies of Little Whinging, Harry has just crash-landed into a muddy pond. Oddly enough, he is not dead.

Neither is Hagrid, but I’m going to attribute that to the Death Eater cushioning his landing.

Although not dead, Harry is injured and faints. He wakes up in the Tonks home, having been healed by Ted Tonks, who is described as short and stout. Andromeda Tonks is close enough to Bellatrix (once described as regal, which probably means tall and haughty), that Harry mistakes her for her sister. In other words, they are the quintessential Disney cartoon parents.

Ted is alarmed to hear about Death Eaters ruining their clever plan, but focuses on the positive news that the protection charms are holding. One thing I wonder about those protection charms. How did they know to let Harry in while keeping Voldemort out?

Hagrid comes in, knocking over furniture and an aspidistra. I looked up aspidistra when reading Orwell’s novel Keep the Aspidistra Flying. It’s a spiky-looking houseplant that apparently everyone in Britain grew at one time or another. It was also played for laughs in Busman’s Honeymoon, which is the last Peter Wimsey novel that Dorothy L. Sayers finished. I’m guessing the aspidistra pegs Ted and Andromeda as middle- or lower middle-class.

So, Andromeda married down. But it’s okay, because she married for love. Indeed, how would we know that she married for love unless she had married down?

Andromeda comes into the room, following Hagrid. Harry mistakes her for Bellatrix, shouts, and reaches for his wand, pissing Andromeda off. I find this moment rather odd and confusing—which is not to say that it’s badly written or anything. I’m just not sure what to make of it. Is it foreshadowing Harry’s growing realization that people aren’t always what they look like? Is it to clue us in that Harry is super freaked out by that Death Eater chase? I don’t know.

Rather than feel bad for almost attacking his benefactress, Harry focuses on feeling bad because he can’t tell Tonks’ parents that their daughter is safe. Way to displace, Harry!

Ted then calls Andromeda “Dromeda.” Maybe she fell in love with because she had been called Andie all her life and hated it. I can’t think of any other reason to fall in love with a guy who calls you something that makes you sound like a camel. (Although, the haughty demeanor she and Bellatrix share? Maybe they actually look camels?)

Harry asks about the Portkey. He really can’t wait to get out of this safehouse. I suppose that’s the mark of a true hero—feeling awkward and ashamed when people help him out.

Harry hears screaming as he arrives at the Weasley home. Is his arrival that dramatic, or is this just another Saturday night brawl between Ginny and Molly?

True to his character, Hagrid immediately asks for alcohol.

Ginny shows Harry that two Portkeys (Ron and Tonks and Fred and Arthur’s) arrived without their designated transportees. Reading this now, I see that JKR is building up suspense. Here’s my shameful confession: I’m not much of one for chase scenes or “action” in a book. I tore through these chapters on the first reading, so this was all wasted on me. I figured, if someone ended up dead, they ended up dead. And I couldn’t care less about worrying about them when I knew I just had to read through another twenty pages to find out. So the suspense? Wasted on me.

Lupin and George arrive on schedule. George is bleeding, and fainting in Lupin’s arms. No screaming from Molly this time, though. The missing ear elicits only a gasp from Ginny. Harry’s safe. That’s the important thing.

By the way, shall we pause to tote up the injury scoreboard?

Stuff Done to Good Guys:
Severed ear: Very serious, caused by Dark Magic. Can never be fixed! Mauled face: Very severe. Caused by Dark Magic. May have lifelong consequences! (Or… not.) Poisoning: Life threatening. Requires week-long stay in hospital. Attack by brains: Somewhat serious. Leaves scars. Seems to make victim stupider than before. Unvocalized spell: Very serious. Leaves victim unconscious with internal bleeding that requires half a dozen potions taken daily. Attack by baslisk: Life threatening. Requires immediate application of phoenix tears. De-boning of arm: Very serious. Requires painful night of suffering regrowing bones. Burn by Dragon: Very serious. Requires week-long stay in hospital.

Stuff done to Malfoy:
Evisceration: Very serious. Requires immediately application of countercurse. But shouldn’t leave scars if treated with dittany. De-boning of entire body into slug-like mass: Good joke. Difficulty of recovery unknown, but assumed to be trivial. Cursed into tentacle-covered face: Good joke. Difficulty of recovery unknown, but assumed to be trivial. Transfiguration into ferret and subsequent bouncing off stone floor: Due punishment for pointing a wand. No affect beyond humiliation. Attack by Hippogriff: Trivial injury by razor-sharp claws. Only a baby would find that painful.

Back to our story:

As Lupin drags Harry into the kitchen for questioning, we have the four-hundredth mention in the last two chapters of Hagrid trying to squeeze through a door or sitting on a piece of furniture and breaking it. And we thought Hagrid couldn’t possibly get more tiresome in this book.

Lupin demands to know what creature was sitting in his office when he talked to Harry in PoA. This is actually a pretty good identifying question. Kudos to Lupin.

Lupin mentions that polyjuice potion wouldn’t work with Hagrid because it’s “for human use only.” I guess that means Lupin isn’t polyjuiced, either? Regardless, this is a piece of information that will go nowhere.

We then get the argument between Lupin and Harry about using deadly force against the Death Eaters. Harry is opposed to simply mowing down others. Now, is this the same Harry who talked about taking out as many Death Eaters as possible back in HBP? (For which he earned that approving little nod from Dumbledore?) Of course, as I noted in the last chapter, Harry has already “taken out” several Death Eaters. So, I don’t think it’s killing that Harry’s objecting to, it’s killing Stan Shunpike.

I wonder if anyone has written Stan/Harry slash. (Starry? Sharry? Han Punpike?)

Hehe. Harry confirms my death count, as he mentions that they were hundreds of feet up in the air, and, had Stan been stunned, he would have died from the fall. So, yeah, unless the Death Eaters had an invisible team of flyers specifically tasked with catching falling bodies, those Death Eaters stunned by Harry are dead.

But, let’s not worry about that because the important thing is that Lupin is acting like Zacharias Smith by questioning Harry’s choice of spell. And thus Lupin’s pedestal begins to crumble.

Lupin says it was using Expelliarmus that got Harry pegged by Voldemort. I have an idea. Why didn’t they tell all the other Harries to use that spell exclusively? That would have really confused the bad guys.

Kinglsey and Hermione arrive by Portkey. Kingsley immediately questions Lupin’s identity, although Lupin doesn’t question Kingsley’s. Nor do either of them question Hermione. Perhaps because she took polyjuice and you can’t double-dose it?

Incidentally, both George and Hermione were un-Harryfied on their arrival. So, I guess it’s been more than an hour since they left the Dursley house.

Between them, Kingsley and Lupin lay out the mystery: Someone betrayed the Order by leaking their plans to Voldemort. However, that person was not aware that there would be seven Harry Potters zooming around. That narrows down the suspects to, um, Harry, I guess, since everyone else knew the whole plan.

Kingsley mentions that Voldemort followed them for a little while before veering off. He thinks that must have been when Harry used Expelliarmus. My theory is that Hermione was reading while they were been chased through the sky, and Voldemort realized that Harry would never read if he didn’t have to.

Lupin mentions Snape and Harry starts shouting. It’s too bad Snape wasn’t following Harry. It would have been fun to see Snape pwn Harry again.

Lupin says it was hard keeping George on the broom after George was injured. I’m having a hard time visualizing this. Were they on the same broom? So, George was behind Lupin? I’m amazed Lupin could keep him on at all if that’s the case. Did he hold onto George with his feet?

Harry thanks God that George is still alive, marking only the second time in the series that any sort of deity or religion has been alluded to.

Harry briefly thinks about hugging Ginny, but it restrained by the presence of Molly Weasley. You know, Harry, I think you could get away with a hug at this moment.

This romantic interlude is interrupted by Arthur and Fred’s arrival. More shouting. More crashing. More stupid identifying questions. All this equals suspense and drama!

Harry and Ginny then go outside to wait for the missing three teams. The hug is downgraded into holding hands. Honestly, Harry, you could snog her silly and nobody would notice it tonight if that’s what’s holding you back.

Finally, after minutes that “stretch into years,” Tonks arrives and lands her broom in a long skid. Yep. Still a showboater.

We don’t hear about Ron landing. Just about him tripping.

Hermione expresses surprise that Ron managed to stun a Death Eater. I’m sure she’d not be surprised to learn that Harry did a bit better than that.

Ron grumpily pushes away from Hermione’s surprise. Good thing. Otherwise they might kiss or something and ruin the surprise later.

Meanwhile, Lupin sounds “almost angry” when he asks Tonks why she took so long. Okay, this is one of those moments that makes Harry seem like a social idiot. Gee, people get angry when they are frightened about people they love? Fascinating, observes Mr. Spock from his perch on Harry’s shoulder.

Tonks was late because Bellatrix was trying hard to kill her. Ohhhhh, I see. This goes back to that first chapter, when Voldemort was telling Bellatrix to kill Tonks. I get it. Its that gripping will Bellatrix kill Tonks? subplot! Clever, JKR. I didn’t see you juggling that plot-ball at all!

All this time, the continued absence of the others lies on them like a frost, its icy bite harder and harder to ignore. In the movie, they’ll have those little breath clouds like in Titanic. Even though this is July.

Bill and Fleur arrive by Thestral with the dramatic news that Mad-Eye Moody is dead. This is tragic and shocking to the characters, who didn’t have the advantage of reading the title of this chapter. As a reader, I’m pretty glad it wasn’t anyone else. I never felt like I knew Moody, since the character we met in GoF was an imposter.

By the way, Harry knows that Tonks had been Moody’s protégé at the Ministry. Hmm. I thought he had retired before she became an auror and I find it a little odd that Harry knows this at all—at least, it was never mentioned before. But, hey, way to make it all about Tonks!

Bill pours out glasses and Firewhiskey and sends them zooming into everyone’s hands so that they can drink a toast to Moody. If it had been Dumbledore, he would have sent them zooming to knock people on their heads.

The discussion turns as to whether or not Mundungus might have betrayed them. Bill dispels that idea by noting that Mundungus came up with the seven Potters idea, which was the part of the plan Voldemort didn’t know. Of course, that’s what a clever spy would do…..

Incidentally, neither Bill nor Fleur got asked the identifying questions. Because Bill’s a semi-werewolf now? (Werewolf lite? Werewolf-positive?) And Fleur is one-quarter Veela. Hey… wait a minit… I guess she’s human enough for polyjuice?

Fleur points out that someone let it slip that they were moving Harry on this night. Everyone else tries not to look at Hagrid. Harry, remembering that Hagrid has let slip a good dozen important secrets, declares the matter moot. He trusts everyone in the Order.

By “trust,” he means that he’ll be sure not to let them know a single thing about what he’s up to for the next year.

Lupin tells Harry that he reminds him of James, causing Harry to feel rage towards Lupin for the third or fourth time that night. This strikes me as a bit ironic, considering how Harry wanted to identify with James in PoA. Is this a change in Harry’s character, then? Maybe those detentions with Snape last year did have an affect after all.

And what is with the Lupin-hate in this chapter? Is Harry simply placing all his anger on Lupin as the most prominent member of the Order? Is he mad at Lupin for surviving when Sirius and Dumbledore didn’t? Or is it that he didn’t get invited to Lupin’s wedding?

Harry’s scar starts prickling for the first time in a year. Apparently, Voldemort has decided to drop the Occlumency.

I think it’s this that makes Harry want to leave the Weasleys. He’s not being as much of an idiot as he seems. If Voldemort were to posses him, or were able to see Harry’s visions as he see Voldemort’s, then this does endanger the Weasleys.

However, not knowing this, everyone basically tells Harry that he’s being absurdly stupid. And, since Lupin is no longer around, Harry takes out his anger on everyone else.

Harry’s image as a sane person is not helped when he mentions that his wand shot a spell at Voldemort of its own accord. I wonder why, if the wand was going to develop a mind of its own towards Voldemort, it didn’t start shooting at him in the MoM in OotP.

Outside, Harry has the first of his DH Voldemort visions, as Voldemort berates Ollivander for bad wand advice. Ollivander has no idea why Harry’s wand is acting up like that. It’s really a pity the wand didn’t do it in OotP, since I’m sure Dumbledore would have known, right? I mean, of course he knows more about wands than Ollivander, the man who’s running a family wand business that started over a thousand years ago.

It might have been nice for Ollivander to mention the Elder Wand during this torture session. I think it would have helped us follow the wand subplot if we’d known from the beginning what Voldemort was looking for.

Ron and Hermione appear to comfort Harry in their unique ways. Ron thumps him on the back and Hermione whispers nervously.

On hearing that Voldemort has reconnected to Harry’s mind, Hermione cries out, “Harry, he’s taking over the Ministry and the newspapers, and half the Wizarding world! Don’t let him inside your head too!” Which just cracks me up because it’s so melodramatic.

Fan Service:
Tonks and Moody had a protégé/mentor relationship.
Harry’s special scar of emo makes a comeback!

Fan Slappage:
Lupin/Harry slash is looking more and more out of the question. Unless it’s hate sex.
The opportunities for Tonks to use her extra-special metamorphmagus abilities are slipping away…

DVD Extras:

EXT. Night. Sky over the English Country Side

A broom carrying ALISTAIR MOODY and MUNDUNGUS FLETCHER (polyjuiced as Harry) streaks through the air, followed closely by four hooded Death Eaters on brooms.

FLETCHER
Bloody ‘ell, Gov! They’re right behin’ us!

MOODY
Stop waving around!

FLETCHER
I didn’ sign up fer this!

With a CRACK, Fletcher disapparates, leaving Moody exposed to a green jet that flashes from one of the Death Eaters’ wands. The jet connects to Moody, who falls off the broom, a look of surprise on his dead face.

Moody’s body falls, almost in slow motion. Suddenly, it crashes into a tree limb. The force of the impact pops Moody’s magical eye right out of his head. The ball-like eye spin in place for a moment before falling….

Straight into the mouth of a passing phoenix. The phoenix looks extremely surprised as a round lump stick in his throat. Still gliding through the air, he coughs, shooting the eye straight into the air…..

The eye falls onto a large, square rock monolith. It bounces up and onto a second monolith. As we pull back, we see that the eye is bouncing from rock to rock on the famous Stonehenge monument. After making a full circle around the rocks, it bounces off the circle and begins bouncing along a road….

Reaching a hillside, it picks up speed, bouncing down over rocks and boulders. It bounces higher and higher. As it bounces from one boulder to another, a fox passes underneath at a full run. The fox is followed by a pack of baying hounds, and a group of hunters on horses.

The eye bounces neatly into upturned mouth of a hunting horn worn by one of the hunters. As the horse gallops and jumps over fences, the eye bounces and rolls around the mouth of the horn.

From above, we see that the fox, hounds, and horses are approaching a large crop circle in a wheat field. With a rush, the horses leap into the circle, nearly crushing a small alien spaceship which has been busily crushing the wheat stalks with its ion-ray gun. A small green alien shakes his fist at the passing horses.

As the final horse passes, Moody’s eye bounces out of the hunting horn, bopping the alien on the head. The alien loses control of his space ship, flying up into the air, as the eye rolls about in the bottom of the ship….

The space ship makes a loop-de-loop, and the eye falls out, hurtling down toward the earth and onto a passing truck. Hitting the hood, it bounces up onto the hood, and then into the back, which holds boxes and furniture.

The truck pulls up to a quiet suburban street. The back opens and two moving men lift a soft sofa out of the truck, carrying it down a ramp to the street.

The eye rolls off the sofa cushions and by the feet of the moving men. It rolls down the street past a white picket fence.

A small kitten runs out from behind the fence and attacks the eye, batting it between its paws.

WOMAN’S VOICE (off-screen)
Cornelius! What are you playing with?

A pair of hands with stubby fingers comes into frame. It pushes the kitten away and picks up the eye. As she raises the eye to examine it, we see that the hands belong to DELORES UMBRIDGE.

UMBRIDGE
Well! Isn’t this a lucky find?

As we focus on her face, we can see a large, gold locket dangling around her neck. With a smug smile:

UMBRIDGE
Yes, I think I can find a good use for this!

She giggles and puts it into her pocket. Picking up the kitten, Umbridge pushes the gate of the fence open and heads up the path to her cottage.

FADE OUT
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Date: 2009-06-09 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jodel-from-aol.livejournal.com
I think The Adventures of Moody's Eye' comes close to beating out the shoe sequence in 'The Apple War'.

As for the mentor relationship between Moody and Tonks; I think we were told it outright by Tonks when we first met her in OotP. Moody'd retired just when her class had finished their training, at the beginning of GoF.

Date: 2009-06-09 05:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com
So the suspense? Wasted on me.

Me too. Which turned out to be correct because none of the deaths were suspenseful. In the end, except for Dobby's "Gunga Din who was...almost as good a man as I am" death they were all like crossing people off a chalkboard with a drumroll.

Stuff Done to Good Guys: / Stuff done to Malfoy:
This is something that seriously started to creep me out in OotP but it just continued throughout the books. Remember Harry's horrible pen-scarring is also permenant and horribly painful. Far too much for dittany, one imagines.

Harry is opposed to simply mowing down others. Now, is this the same Harry who talked about taking out as many Death Eaters as possible back in HBP?

True to form, Harry is both badass enough to mow people down but saintly enough to righteously object to such a thing when it's someone else's idea.

And thus Lupin’s pedestal begins to crumble.

Seriously, Lupin. What were you thinking?

Between them, Kingsley and Lupin lay out the mystery: Someone betrayed the Order by leaking their plans to Voldemort.

Good thinking on Dumbledore's part to throw in this kind of suspicion, though. Not only does it add the illusion of an interesting mystery plot but it creates dischord in within the ranks of the good guys and makes it hard for them to trust each other. But then, I remember Dumbledore being known for that.

Oh no, wait, that was Voldemort who was supposed to be known for it.

Lupin mentions Snape and Harry starts shouting. It’s too bad Snape wasn’t following Harry. It would have been fun to see Snape pwn Harry again.

It would have been fun if the Snape/Harry relationship wasn't replaced by Harry/Dumbledore at the last minute.

Harry thanks God that George is still alive, marking only the second time in the series that any sort of deity or religion has been alluded to.

Since Harry's basically Jesus he doesn't need to do much alluding, I guess.

Finally, after minutes that “stretch into years,” Tonks arrives and lands her broom in a long skid. Yep. Still a showboater.

Phew! I'd have been so upset if Tonks had never been seen again. Really.

Hermione expresses surprise that Ron managed to stun a Death Eater. I’m sure she’d not be surprised to learn that Harry did a bit better than that.

Maybe that's one of the reasons Harry's wand can act on its own. It has a deal with Ron's wand that Harry always has to outshine him.

Meanwhile, Lupin sounds “almost angry” when he asks Tonks why she took so long.

He's probably angry because she's pregnant. Does she stop work after this?

All this time, the continued absence of the others lies on them like a frost, its icy bite harder and harder to ignore.

LOL! Is that the actual line? That's awesome.

Bill and Fleur arrive by Thestral with the dramatic news that Mad-Eye Moody is dead.

Oh no! Not that guy we really only knew when he was that other guy who's already dead?!

But, hey, way to make it all about Tonks!

I've got to give Harry credit here for finding somebody that he can use to try desperately to make the death mean something like death means in real life.

Though probably he's just making sure JKR gets credit for her awesome reverse Chekovian gun skillz. Remember how in OotP Tonks said she loved Moody? Here's the payoff!

By “trust,” he means that he’ll be sure not to let them know a single thing about what he’s up to for the next year.

So "trust" in the Dumbledorian sense, then.

And what is with the Lupin-hate in this chapter?

He's setting up that Lupin's going to turn out to be morally weak. Harry tends to react to peoples' ethical character before it shows itself. This is the mirror of the later chapter when he'll feel all kindly towards Regulus the DE *before* he finds out he was heroic.

Harry’s scar starts prickling for the first time in a year. Apparently, Voldemort has decided to drop the Occlumency.

Somebody had to get the plot moving.

The DVD extra out is the most exciting part!

Date: 2009-06-09 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tdotm.livejournal.com
I totally agree that Dobby’s death was the most emotional. Not because I liked him at all, but because I was there. I saw his last actions, heard his last words, watched him die and witnessed the grief of those left behind. It brought tears to my eyes and softened my heart of stone. Fred's was ok, but there wasn’t enough time to mourn. Snape's was too similar to Fred's - how many 'glassy eyes like unseeing orbs' comparisons did she make? Plus they just watched him die which killed any potential sadness. Tonks and Remus – meh. I’m not saying she should have stopped the action each time, but a chapter after Harry ate his sandwich, spent hearing about the casualties as people, not numbers would have made all the difference.

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Date: 2009-06-09 06:57 pm (UTC)
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This entire chapter was one big misdirection from the title. Look, Hagrid's dead! A significant death! No, wait, fooled you, it's really Ron or Arthur or... nope, fooled you again! It was Moody. Aren't you shocked?

No, I got distracted trying to figure out your game, JKR, and so all the suspense passed me right by.

Oh look, it's Bellatrix! Nope, got you again, it's a camel Andromeda.

Bah.

That is an excellent comparison of injuries, there.

Lupin is acting entirely too sensible in this chapter. It must be a sign of his cowardice. Only cowards think about plans and act sensibly. (Me, I thought him freaking out and thinking Tonks was safer without him entirely understandable and in-character, given that he actually HAS almost eaten children before because he forgot to take his medicine and they ARE being persecuted. But then, I don't have Harry's issue with parents. Love how he made Lupin's problems all about himself, though.)

I still have no idea what Harry's amazing sentient wand is supposed to be about. He's already fired off as spell without planning to at least once (Protego in Snape's office in OotP), so why wouldn't that work again?

That DVD extra is epic!

Date: 2009-06-09 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eir-de-scania.livejournal.com
At last someone else who finds Remus' freaking out fully explainable!
*smooches*

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Date: 2009-06-09 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tdotm.livejournal.com
- “Indeed, how would we know that she married for love unless she had married down?”

Because Ted Tonks was a filthy Mudblood! If she’d married a lowly impoverished pure-blood, her family would no doubt be a lot more amenable. They must have shared some impressive passion to put up with Narcissa’s passive aggression and Bellatrix’s in-your-face aggression. I also seriously doubt her parents were the “as long as you’re happy, we’re happy” type either....

- “Ted then calls Andromeda “Dromeda.” Maybe she fell in love with because she had been called Andie all her life and hated it.”

Is Annie unknown in the Wizarding World? ‘Dromeda’ hardly rolls off the tongue, which is usually the aim in shortening someone’s name.

- “Tonks was late because Bellatrix was trying hard to kill her. Ohhhhh, I see. This goes back to that first chapter, when Voldemort was telling Bellatrix to kill Tonks. I get it. Its that gripping will Bellatrix kill Tonks? subplot! Clever, JKR. I didn’t see you juggling that plot-ball at all!”

What’s really strange is that when she succeeds, we don’t hear anything about it. Harry almost trips over Tonks’ corpse as he rushes to his own assisted suicide, but it’s never mentioned that Bellatrix was responsible. Until JKR gave an interview after the book’s published - Hard Cheese for those who don’t read her interviews.

- “As a reader, I’m pretty glad it wasn’t anyone else.”

Not even Hagrid? Or Hermione? I still wish it was Harry. It could have been Hedwig, saving Moody's death for the Battle of Hogwarts, where it wouldn't be such a waste.

- “The discussion turns as to whether or not Mundungus might have betrayed them. Bill dispels that idea by noting that Mundungus came up with the seven Potters idea, which was the part of the plan Voldemort didn’t know. Of course, that’s what a clever spy would do…..”

The ‘Seven Potters idea’ strikes me as an impressive act of sabotage. Sadly Dung’s talk of his ‘bad back’ wasn’t enough for him to get out of such a kamikaze mission (or it *would* have been a kamikaze mission, if the DEs weren’t all increasingly useless)

- “And what is with the Lupin-hate in this chapter?”

There’s no reason, just part of JKR's careful mangling so many characters in this book - she had to change people to suit the story. Harry, Tonks and Hermione, amongst others, were already in a bad way, but Lupin had remained rather charming. More than Harry could ever manage so he was doomed – I wasn’t happy.

- “Meanwhile, Lupin sounds “almost angry” when he asks Tonks why she took so long.”

Because he fell in love with a sparky, bright individual and now he’s trapped by this pathetic nutter. Add Tonks to the list of people who have their characters ruined in this book. (HBP wasn’t a highlight for her, either)

- “Apparently, Voldemort has decided to drop the Occlumency.”

Foolishness that will reach ridiculous heights in this book. I wouldn’t mind if Voldie had tried to use it to lure Harry into a trap. Especially if he’d somehow used it to try to get him to Godric’s Hollow and Nagini’s waiting arms. In that case, I wouldn't have minded the scenes that followed. However, it was written as Voldemort being constantly careless, over the course of a whole year, which was unbelievable. Add Voldemort to the list of people who have their characters ruined in this book.

- “Harry’s image as a sane person is not helped when he mentions that his wand shot a spell at Voldemort of its own accord.”

I haven’t re-read, but this is rubbish right? It doesn’t turn out to be essential to the plot, does it? Even if you needed the whole ‘wand-lore to back up the Elder wand’ stuff, this could have been cut because it confuses, rather than clarifies, couldn’t it?

- “Hermione cries out, “Harry, he’s taking over the Ministry and the newspapers, and half the Wizarding world! Don’t let him inside your head too!” Which just cracks me up because it’s so melodramatic.”

Proof, if any were needed, that JKR wrote this with both eyes on the pending film. Can’t you hear Emma “Plank” Watson over-acting this line? At least Hermione wasn’t too scared of ‘Harry the Great’ to speak up, I suppose.

Date: 2009-06-09 07:28 pm (UTC)
anehan: Elizabeth Bennet with the text "sparkling". (Draco -- what the shit is this?)
From: [personal profile] anehan
Even if you needed the whole ‘wand-lore to back up the Elder wand’ stuff, this could have been cut because it confuses, rather than clarifies, couldn’t it?

Heh, that could be said about the whole book.
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Date: 2009-06-10 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jodel-from-aol.livejournal.com
> “Harry’s image as a sane person is not helped when he mentions that his wand shot a spell at Voldemort of its own accord.”

I haven’t re-read, but this is rubbish right? It doesn’t turn out to be essential to the plot, does it?<

Not in Rowling's hands it isn't. She couldn't even come up with a plausible reason for why it did so after the fact. Just had Albus spout some portentious gibberish and pretend it was an answer.

In our hands, however it makes a passible tool for fanwanking the stupid mind connection. Because we're left with the conclusion that the wand going on autopilot is the point at which the polarity of the connection of Tom>Harry reversed itself to Harry>Tom.

I missed this first time round

Date: 2009-06-09 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tdotm.livejournal.com
- “All this time, the continued absence of the others lies on them like a frost, its icy bite harder and harder to ignore.”

*Please* tell me you’re just having a laugh and this isn't a quote. Is this, or is it not, the chapter in which - death is with them, like a presence? So the absence of some of their friends - lies on them, like a frost? Really?

I suppose Harry’s sudden change of attitude to Lupin - surrounds them, like a plot device. Voldemort’s sudden inability to keep Harry ‘sub-par’ Potter out of his mind - is with us all, like a character-assassination.
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Date: 2009-06-09 07:22 pm (UTC)
anehan: Elizabeth Bennet with the text "sparkling". (I support Fleur Delacour)
From: [personal profile] anehan
Ted is alarmed to hear about Death Eaters ruining their clever plan, but focuses on the positive news that the protection charms are holding. One thing I wonder about those protection charms. How did they know to let Harry in while keeping Voldemort out?

And if there are indeed such charms that can keep Voldemort out, there was no reason for Harry to grow up at the Dursleys.

So, Andromeda married down. But it’s okay, because she married for love. Indeed, how would we know that she married for love unless she had married down?

Quite right. After all, the Malfoys' match can't be a love-match. They hate each other, which is why Narcissa is so devoted to her family.

Andromeda comes into the room, following Hagrid. Harry mistakes her for Bellatrix, shouts, and reaches for his wand, pissing Andromeda off.

I'm just happy someone isn't instantly charmed by Harry.

(Although, the haughty demeanor she and Bellatrix share? Maybe they actually look camels?)

Perhaps it's a feature of the British upper class families. The royal family looks like horses, the Wizarding royal family the Blacks look like camels.

That narrows down the suspects to, um, Harry, I guess, since everyone else knew the whole plan.

You know, that would have been a plot twist worth paying for.

And Fleur is one-quarter Veela. Hey… wait a minit… I guess she’s human enough for polyjuice?

I guess JKR has fashioned wizards after herself: they can't use logic either.

He trusts everyone in the Order.

Except for Snape, who isn't in the Order any more because Harry doesn't trust him.

Date: 2009-06-09 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eir-de-scania.livejournal.com
Perhaps it's a feature of the British upper class families. The royal family looks like horses, the Wizarding royal family the Blacks look like camels.
***Juist whar I was going to say! :-D
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Date: 2009-06-09 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tdotm.livejournal.com
"Lately I've been wishing that Snape died in an autoerotic-like strangling sort of situation (ex: snake around the neck while gazing at Lily's pic, knowing that Harry was watching). It really would have thrilled a chunk of hardcore fandom"

Heh. Also, that would be impossible. Harry never gets to witness anything good, because then the reader would as well - and we couldn't have that, could we? Snape would have to make do with Lucius watching. At best Harry would overhear Charlie telling Ron that Snape was found dead, snake round the neck (and other parts), in stockings and suspenders, with a prophecy orb rammed in his mouth, but he would be to busy telling Kreacher what filling he wanted in his sandwich to enquire further.

Date: 2009-06-09 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eir-de-scania.livejournal.com
Harry has just crash-landed into a muddy pond. Oddly enough, he is not dead
***Wizards are notoriously hard to kill by things that kill Muggles.

One thing I wonder about those protection charms. How did they know to let Harry in while keeping Voldemort out?
***Becaus eThe Plot needed it to. End of story.

Lupin mentions that polyjuice potion wouldn’t work with Hagrid because it’s “for human use only.” I guess that means Lupin isn’t polyjuiced, either?
***Most old folklore has werewolves as fully human when not ggrowing fangs.

I wonder if anyone has written Stan/Harry slash. (Starry? Sharry? Han Punpike?)
***In this fandom? Certainly.

Harry thanks God that George is still alive, marking only the second time in the series that any sort of deity or religion has been alluded to.
***Do you find it too many times or too few? ;-)

Bill pours out glasses and Firewhiskey and sends them zooming into everyone’s hands so that they can drink a toast to Moody. If it had been Dumbledore, he would have sent them zooming to knock people on their heads.
***He only did that to lowly Muggles. Wizards/witches knew better than trying to say "no" when he offered them something.

Fan Slappage:
Lupin/Harry slash is looking more and more out of the question. Unless it’s hate sex.
***Lots of that around...

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Date: 2009-06-10 04:11 am (UTC)
sunnyskywalker: Young Beru Lars from Attack of the Clones; text "Sunnyskywalker" (SistineHarry)
From: [personal profile] sunnyskywalker
Wizards are notoriously hard to kill by things that kill Muggles.

"A car crash kill James and Lily? Never! That would be humiliating and Mugglish!" Someone ought to have mentioned that if James and Lily had left their wands in the glove compartment, a car crash would have killed them just fine.

Another thought... if JKR was going play cartoon violence for laughs all the time, she really ought to have let Harry share one of new!Kirk's defining characteristics and let him get beaten to a pulp every other scene. (I swear, the ability to take a beating is his superpower.) And have Hermione and/or Snape following him around and dosing him with potions that make his hands swell and his tongue numb. It wouldn't fix the plot, but it would be vastly more entertaining than camping.

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Date: 2009-06-10 11:55 am (UTC)
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"Harry asks about the Portkey. He really can’t wait to get out of this safehouse. I suppose that’s the mark of a true hero—feeling awkward and ashamed when people help him out."
- I did find his behaviour in this situation rather ungrateful, considering they were risking their necks here and had family connections to the Death Eaters. Harry obviously went to the Albus Dumbledore School of Bad Manners

"True to his character, Hagrid immediately asks for alcohol."
-He's just endured a chapter with Harry bitching about being stuck in the sidecar, I think I'd want a drink after that!

"Harry, remembering that Hagrid has let slip a good dozen important secrets, declares the matter moot. He trusts everyone in the Order."
-Lol, how many secrets has Hagrid blurted out in the pub over the years?

I felt for Lupin in this chapter. It was clear he had to die, he was far to sensible for the wizarding world!

Date: 2009-06-10 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] night-axe.livejournal.com
In other words, they are the quintessential Disney cartoon parents.

They're not cool enough to be Gomez and Morticia, that's for sure.

This is tragic and shocking to the characters, who didn’t have the advantage of reading the title of this chapter. As a reader, I’m pretty glad it wasn’t anyone else. I never felt like I knew Moody, since the character we met in GoF was an imposter.

Yeah. GoF!Moody wasn't exactly lovable in all his human rights violating glory, but at least he seemed vivid for a HP character. Then it turned out he was such a walking stereotype, an unstable young man about thirty years his junior could impersonate him without a hitch. When the real Moody appeared in OotP, he kind of fell flat. Also, GoF made it that Moody was a little problematic for a good guy. When he was going "Screw due process" in Dumbledore's memory and Dumbledore tacitly disapproved, I took it for complexity and naively expected someone (Harry? the author?) to keep it in mind.

Date: 2009-06-10 06:37 pm (UTC)
sunnyskywalker: Young Beru Lars from Attack of the Clones; text "Sunnyskywalker" (Rotfang)
From: [personal profile] sunnyskywalker
I thought Moody's ruthlessness would be one of those issues that returned, making Harry think about how even "good guys" can do something wrong (the world not being divided into Good People and Death Eaters and all). Alas.

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