[identity profile] mary-j-59.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] deathtocapslock
This quote was in our advent bulletin, and it struck me very strongly.
There are no ordinary people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilizations – these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat.

That, of course, is C.S. Lewis. I believe the quote is taken from Mere Christianity. Once upon a time, when the Potter books were becoming enormously popular, Rowling gave an interview - I think in Time magazine. In this interview, she took some pains to distinguish herself from C.S. Lewis. One thing I remember her saying is that her books were different from his because, in hers, the children would be allowed to grow up. One can ask whether, in the end, the trio did grow up. I rather think not. But that's not the major difference I see in the two authors' works.

If you read the Narnia books attentively, you can see that Lewis really believed the extraordinary statement he made above. Yes, from a modern pov, one can read him as racist and sexist. But NO ONE in the Narnia books is condemned because of their birth, social status, or genetic heritage. Everyone has free will and everyone, in the end, can choose to come to Aslan's country. It's up to them whether they will so choose or not.

In the Potter books, there is a sort of Venn diagram of specialness. The vast majority of people are Muggles. They cannot even see Hogwarts, and the special people treat them, at best, with condescension. Inside this large circle is a tiny one, of all the Witches and Wizards. They are the real human beings, the people who matter. Inside this tiny circle, again, is another circle, consisting of perhaps 1/4 of the magical people. These are the Gryffindors, and they are the elect.*

Nobody can choose to be magical, as Calormenes like Emeth and Aravis, Dwarves like Poggin and Trumpkin, beasts like Reepicheep and Puzzle, and ordinary humans like the Pevensie parents can choose to love Aslan. If Muggles could choose magic, Petunia would surely have accompanied Lily to Hogwarts. She didn't. You are either born a Wizard, or you're nothing.

Nor, some fans to the contrary, do you get to choose whether you're a Gryffindor. We've all beaten this dead horse repeatedly, I know, but it's worth repeating. Dumbledore does not tell Harry that our choices make us what we are. He says our choices show what we are. If we choose to be in Gryffindor, that is because we are predestined to be among the elect. If we choose to be in Slytherin, then there is probably no help for us - at least, not as far as I can see.

Against this background of extreme privilege, Rowling attempts to tell a story in which racism is the primary evil. The fact that every Witch and Wizard we see is racist against Muggles simply doesn't matter - because Muggles don't matter. And there is no analysis, in the books, of how anti-Muggle racism leads naturally to anti-Muggleborn racism. It's perfectly okay to mock and torment the Dursleys. But it's not okay to mock and torment Hermione, who is a Witch. It's especially not okay to mock Harry, the hero.

Contrast this, again, with Lewis. He says, ...it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub, and exploit–immortal horrors or everlasting splendours...Next to the Blessed Sacrament itself, your neighbor is the holiest object presented to your senses.

Quite a contrast, isn't it? Whatever you think of Lewis, ask yourself this: what sort of boy would Harry have become if he had realized, even for one moment, that Uncle Vernon and Aunt Petunia were immortals?

Just a thought.

Re: Damning Snape?

Date: 2011-12-02 11:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malic-ba.livejournal.com
Thanks!

I know the Shack isn't actually underground, but having it reached by a tunnel in the book POV seemed symbolic of this to me too.

We don't see much of the afterlife though. I'm not sure if they really have a 'hell' (except for Voldemort who gets left under a seat in King's Cross for eternity?).

(When I first heard the 'no portrait' comment I could not believe it and had to reread the end to make sure. JKR's vindictiveness to this character - and to so many fans, not just Snape's, in the later books - appalls me.)

Alive or dead he must at least be free now.

Re: Damning Snape?

Date: 2011-12-03 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oryx_leucoryx
Well, for the whole split/torn soul to mean anything there must be some consequence in the afterlife for damaging one's soul. Which is, of course, exactly what Dumbles demanded that Severus do.

Re: Damning Snape?

Date: 2011-12-03 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karentheunicorn.livejournal.com
Yea, exactly. It all depends on if AK'ing someone who is gonna die anyway and who wants to be killed is murder. So I have no clue if Severus gets a soul split from that. If you take the mechanics of the spell then yes - it would spit a soul every time right? If it works like a machine, gear moves here, magic goes there. But it's hard to say with the wonky spells, Severus seemed to assume that killing Albus would lead to damange to his own soul. Dumbledore argues that Severus would have to decide if it did. So do we believe Dumbledore? Or was he just manipulating Severus?

Hell, what about Bellatrix and Molly; Molly did a killing curse on bellatrix, is her soul split to? There was no deal between them about killing each other, it was on with them, one or the other. Or at least I assume it was the AK since JKR didn't give us the actual words just that Harry witnessed it and seem to know what was coming next. Gonna assume it was an AK.

Re: Damning Snape?

Date: 2011-12-03 04:31 pm (UTC)
sunnyskywalker: Young Beru Lars from Attack of the Clones; text "Sunnyskywalker" (spandex jackets)
From: [personal profile] sunnyskywalker
You also have to factor in remorse. Snape had time to heal his soul over the last year of his life - but does the remorse have to be of the "I wish I'd never done that because it was wrong" kind, or would "I'm really sorry I had to kill him as he asked and wish there had been a better way" or "I'm sorry I semi-unintentionally started this whole mess in the first place" suffice?

Molly probably isn't sorry (understandable given the circumstances), but then, maybe killing in battle to defend yourself or your kids doesn't count as a soul-splitting murder either.

Re: Damning Snape?

Date: 2011-12-07 03:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charlottehywd.livejournal.com
Wait... Snape never got a portrait? OK, that's just kicking someone while they are down. :-(

Re: Damning Snape?

Date: 2011-12-07 03:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nx74defiant.livejournal.com
JK stated that Snape didn't get a portrait because he "abandoned" Hogwarts by leaving. (But DD leaving Hogwarts to the mercy of Umbridge wasn't abandonment I guess, silly me).

In another interview she stated that Harry got Snapes portrait put up in Hogwarts.

Re: Damning Snape?

Date: 2011-12-07 06:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karentheunicorn.livejournal.com
Nope, at least not IN the book. Now in an interview, apparently Harry was so noble he saw to it that Snape would get one; but as far as us getting that in the actual book, nada. So, apparently Snape could not get one on his own - Harry had to be all gryffindor and use his super special chosen one powers on the rest of the magical world.

It's not like Snape the Headmaster had anything to do with it or that the castle's magic knew what he was doing OR the other headmaster portraits were apparently unable to vouch for him, nope. And apparently not even his memories were good enough; Harry left those in the Headmasters office...BUT NOPE...none of that mattered. The rest of the adult magical world apparently had to wait for Harry to say it was okay.

Apparently self assisted killing of oneself while Headmaster isn't abandoning the school though, thats all brave and shit, What Snape did is apparently not brave.

Re: Damning Snape?

Date: 2011-12-07 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charlottehywd.livejournal.com
Well, the world does revolve around Harry, so it makes sense that he is the only one able to do anything about it, right?

Personally, I think it would be fitting to have Harry install the portrait, only to have it start calling him out for the lack of respect Harry showed the real Snape.

"Oh, a portrait. What a lovely token of your esteem, considering that I died horribly to help out you and your miserable little friends. You never showed the real Snape any kindness, but I guess now that he's dead and out of your way you can pretend that you did. Who would question the great Harry Potter, after all?"

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