[identity profile] mmmarcusz.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] deathtocapslock
One thing that bothers me about the twins is that no matter what they do, they get away with it. There are never any consequences. When they sneak Harry out of his house, flying a magic car into a Muggle area, there are no legal consequences and Molly blusters but doesn't do anything. When they more or less ignore how badly Ginny's getting on (as do Percy and Ron), and don't notice she's being bewitched, there's no real guilt.

They give Harry the Marauders' Map - what if he disappeared some day - would they have told the authorities that they gave him a method of sneaking out of school? Or just stayed quiet and hoped things worked out?

They slip Dudley Ton-Tongue Toffees - he could have died, but again no consequences. They win their bet with Bagman (it was never explained how they knew it - maybe they used magical means in an early draft) but never face consequences (given that the Ministry is notoriously corrupt, it's surprising that Ludo is always on the defensive, and never tries to e.g. get Arthur fired or have the twins prosecuted for their illegal testing). And then Harry hands them a pile of cash, because there are no more worthy causes.

In OOTP, they spy on Order meetings (how bad is the security?) but no DEs seem to exploit this. They also drop out of school without qualifications - unlike in real life, where this would lead to months of them sitting about in the Burrow doing nothing, they instead become master businessmen.

In HBP, their shop sells stuff that is obviously dangerous if exploited, but even when the DEs use their powder, no-one blames them for selling it, or questions a society that allows such weapons to be owned.

In DH, Fred is killed, but a heroic death in battle. It would be much more likely for him to be killed in one of the twins' experiments gone wrong - this would actually force George to undergo some sort of reflection or growth as a character - but as it is, it confirms that Fred was great and everything the twins did was great.

Date: 2012-01-28 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dungeonwriter.livejournal.com
As much as I would have loved him to hex the twins into the next district, I do appreciate that he is older and more powerful than them, and that it’s not right to respond with violence or misuse magic. I wonder if the twins knew it subconsciously and relished in the fact that they could do what they liked, knowing that their brother would always be there for them if they needed, but they could abuse him as they liked till then.
And that goes double for when he refuses to do much more than warn Draco. He could have happily hexed a second year (I doubt he could have taken points or I imagine he would have) and no one would have done much. I do think prefects are of little use in Hogwarts if they can’t discipline other houses and taking points from your own house hurts everyone, but Percy does his best given Dumbledore’s edicts, the essay which you proved definitively that if you aren’t caught red handed, you are home free.
James would have likely cursed the stuffing out of Draco and left him there to suffer until someone found him. He would have had no problem having his attack dog Sirius team up with him on a single defenseless student.
Why are so many HP characters bullies, when push comes to shove?

Date: 2012-01-31 05:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terri-testing.livejournal.com
Oh, hey, I personally LIKE Percy for not hexing the Twins into next Wednesday every time they annoy him (which is every day). I'm just saying, Percy isn't being a proper Gryff in exercising such restraint.

As to the Twins, they are fish, aware of every nuance of the pressure surrounding them on every side. They know to the minutest measure what they can do without incurring overwhelming reaction/retaliation in return....

They know Percy's limits, and McGonagall's, and Snape's, and Dumblodore's, and the Ministry's. They're bright, they are.

If they'd been up against James? I think they'd have folded. His limits were farther out than theirs.

Date: 2012-01-31 05:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dungeonwriter.livejournal.com
Seriously, why doesn't JKR see bravery as showing restraint? The bravery to endure? I know you approve, hehe, I just don't get why the book seems to think so.

Hahaha, I love how you put it. They know exactly where to draw the line, and yes, compared to James, they're tuna fish.

I believe James's limits would make the twins cower. No matter what, I doubt the twins want Percy dead. They're thoughtless, insensitive mean and annoying but I can't see them consciously risk Percy's very life. They might do it accidently. I also can't see them truly hurt him physically in any lasting way. No matter how much I dislike the twins, had Percy truly gotten hurt, the twins would feel terrible.

James?

James would have been a fine Death Eate.

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